A320 Rating
 

Hello Friends....As the new airlines are setting up, almost all airlines are getting A 320. I was planing to go for my type endorsement. Please suggest which is the cheap and best Flight Centre I should Opt ??


Thanks in Advance..!!

apply for a job and let the airline pay for your rating / training. why spend your money !?

Doing at cheap unrecognized places will cause more damage than good

Avoid skies aviation , jetstream academy and pan am.

Go to CAE or Airbus

And finally , yes try and get the airline to pay for it , never pay for a rating without a job guarantee

It is difficult to get a job ..!! have been finding for over two years..!!

Any leads where i can apply ?? Have basic Indian CPL with 200 hours..!!

pfvspnf,

Pan Am are most certainly recognised by EASA, DGCA and many other authorities. Maybe not the most professional place to do a rating but it is cheap so you get what you pay for.

Airbus and CAE are very good but the price is way too much.

By the way I have done a A320 rating. Have you?

A320, A330/340 rated.

Point being this 200 hour wonder needs proper training not some circus type rating school where they get you through it and you complete a checkride in the minimum amount of sessions .

You are probably not going to find a job after , and even if you do will most likely suffer on the line .

And no there are no jobs that I know of hiring pilots straight out of flight school for the airbus at this moment .

It is very hard to time that a320 type rating thing.

In Asia, the two companies that have been hiring (non-nationals) without time on type has been Cebu and Macau. However, both of these get applications en masse from people with thousands of hours and an a320 type rating.

My advice would be to not do a type rating, unless you have talked directly with an airline, they have told you what type rating center they use for their pilots, and that they would definitely interview you afterwards. That's the smallest guarantee I would go for...

However, for one in your position, it's not easy in any way shape or form to go directly to a jet job.
The other option, is to be lucky enough to time it exactly when with one of these companies hire, because, after 6 months, some companies won't touch you anymore unless you go do a recurrency again..

Just having an a320 type rating from a random provider, with no job prospects, no programs, or anything else, is gonna be a 90% chance of being a complete waste of money.

Instead of burning your money with a TR without any job prospect, why not venture into GA. Plenty of places you can go and build valuable experience leave alone building hrs too.

You can start with Africa or Indonesia! Make Google your partner and you discover alot!

Gear up,

There are no GA jobs for 200 hour wannabes in Indonesia anymore. Africa is requiring 400 hours with 206 or Airvan experience.

Please don't deal out advice on subjects uou know little about.

Dude, save your money, unless you're a richman, in that case it's up to you.
But if not, you should invest in real estate instead, it's smarter.

A TR was worthless a few years ago, but completely useless now.

Now, some guys even pay for hours on type. So a type rating with no hours, it's a nonsense. If you want to throw money, do it well --> pay a TR + 500 h on type.

But be aware, thousands of guys have thousands of hours on type ! You don't know it, you know this kind of thing once you fly professionnally ! you're not alone buddy.

I would not recommend to pay for a CPL IR even to my ennemy... so for a TR, no need to say !

This job has become a hobby for many monkeys.

Says the guy advising the other guy to do the stupidest thing he could possibly do, which is buy a jet rating with 200 hours and no job offer :rolleyes:

Yes it's hard to get into GA but it's a damn sight easier (and cheaper) than throwing your money away on speculative type ratings

Luke I never advised the guy to get a type rating. I simply responded to 2 posters who gave bad advice. I think he should never have got a licence in the first place considering the amount of fresh licence guys in India all looking for a first job.

pilotchute.....
 

......:= Well said Luke SkyToddler!

Can someone please point out where I told the guy to get a type rating?

You do seem to have the habit of going on threads telling people they don't know what they are on about when you appear to do exactly the same.

How is doing a type rating at CAE or airbus bad advice ?

Because CAE and Airbus charge much higher prices than many other places that are just as good.

You told the guy to avoid cheap unrecognised places and you then listed Pan Am. Pan Am is cheap but it certainly isn't unrecognised.

Pfvspnf,

Most posters on here don't know what they are talking about. There are far too many people telling kids to follow their dreams and other such nonsense. No matter what we say on here this kid will probably go and get typed anyway. Nothing we say or any amount of reasonable argument will change his mind.

Just to clarify I never said that pan am was unrecognized

They charge higher prices for a reason , you get more sessions and quality training and possibly even leads to airlines if you are really good! Yes this is a fact! I know two guys that got recommended by CAE

Type ratings should not be done without a job guarantee but if you're spending the money you should do it with the best, it will help you on the line!

I am fed up of kids not knowing the sops can't remember the memory items and frankly have no clue what to do when the workload increases.

In all fairness you said cheap unrecognized.

If you had said cheap or unrecognized then you wouldn't have been having this discussion :E

He was just correcting bad or misleading advice.
(Africa certainly isn't a place for 200hr cpls)

Thanks for guidance..! Will keep in mind..!

Can someone give leads for building hours in any country....I can handle to ground operations also along with it..!!

You buy a rating or buy a rating + hours you waste your money for sure.

Job market completely over crowed, every job that gets listed HR are inundated with applications so much so that the good guys are failing to get noticed because the pile of resume is just too long...

You will chase this dream & spend all your money, but one day approx 2-3 years on you will realize your never going to make money & it is infact a hobby. When you reach this point you will be releavied to get out of aviation....

I've recently done it myself, 4,500 hrs 650 PIC jet time and boy it feels incredible to know I'm not competing in this silly little game any longer.

It took up 15 years of my life, I was lucky enough to be flying during some good times but company went bust & I was left to find another job mid 2013, I can tell you that in this day & age it just ain't worth, the garbage man makes more than us.....

Pfv,

Not knowing SOPS and memory items isn't the fault of the TRTO. That would be the fault of your airlines training dept. if they don't know these things they shouldn't be flying the line.

I know more than a couple of guys who did ratings at Pan Am and all are now Capts. It didn't seem to hold them back.

Pilotchute, I stand corrected with what I said about unrecognized , yes it is recognized .

Now let me emphasize on how this is purely the fault of the type rating organization ! They let things slip too easy , I've seen simple flows not being followed because the type rating instructor said " let's start on the runway , cockpit prep not important "

Memory items ? Unreliable airspeed isn't on the syllabus in many if these places , not even a demo!

Very little raw data flying , I'll give you this , pan am makes you do a circling as this is required for an faa checkride but that's about it !

Your friends who are captains were probably bright or probably work for operators that didn't care! But I am by the book , I want people to be trained as the manufacturer prescribes by quality instructors !

I take it you are not currently flying on the line , once you get there which I am sure you will , you'll understand what I am talking about !

I will see when I get to "fly the line". Us 200 hour guys just need to keep plugging away!

pfvsnpnf,

I have no idea where you are getting that kind of information from. I trained at Pan Am and none of that happened.

Start on the runway? What? We started from cold and dark unless the instructor is satisfied with the cockpit preparations.

If flows are not done to standards by session 2, you cannot progress to full flight sim, so I don't know where your getting that idea from.

Memory items are checked on both the oral and on the checkride (mine was changed a bit from rapid depressurization to cargo fire) and circling approach is drilled to death over and over both to me, and my partner, and I did two circlings on my checkride. So maybe whoever you are getting the information from could have gotten a bad apple from Pan Am.

And that bit about getting more sim that from Airbus :ugh: again not true, my friend went to airbus and he got 4 hours less than I did with Pan Am, and that's Toulouse.

Granted Pan Am's management is atrocious but its instructor (the one that I know) more than make up for it. Anyone going to Pan Am I strongly recommend Santiago Ferro, ex 747 SIA capt, now he'll train you to standards and beyond:ok: