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VNA incident yesterday
Anybody have info on an incident yesterday at VVTS (Hochiminh)
I saw a lot of emergency vehicules around 1800 local time on RW 07 left |
A Vietnam Airlines plane’s tire was punctured as it tried to land at Ho Chi Minh City’s Tan Son Nhat airport last Sunday evening. At 5.49pm, Flight VN503 departing from Guangzhou, carrying 136 passengers and 8 crew landed on the runway but did not stop until it had passed 50m from the end of the touchdown zone. According to airport information, the runway was slippery due to heavy rain and a tire of the plane was blown off as the pilot was braking hard. Vietnam Airlines said their crew carried out safety measures and managed to land at the end of the runway. After the plane had stopped, Vietnam Airlines took more than an hour to repair and replace the tire at the site before they towed the jet back to the factory for technical tests. The plane that encountered the problem was an Airbus A321-231, manufactured in February 2007 and in operation since. The plane’s last periodical maintenance was on April 27 this year. |
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Aviation Herald ;
Incident: Vietnam A321 at Ho Chi Minh on May 6th 2012, runway excursion By Simon Hradecky, created Monday, May 7th 2012 15:02Z, last updated Monday, May 7th 2012 15:02ZA Vietnam Airlines Airbus A321-200, registration VN-A353 performing flight VN-503 from Guangzhou (China) to Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam) with 136 passengers and 8 crew, landed on Ho Chi Minh's runway 07L (length 3,050 meters/10,000 feet) in gusting winds and rain, but did not decelerate properly prompting the crew to attempt emergency braking, which however blew at least one left main gear tyre. The aircraft veered left, overran the end of the runway and came to a stop to the left of the runway and about 50 meters/160 feet past the runway end before coming to a stop. Emergency services responded, the passengers disembarked via mobile stairs. No injuries occurred.The runway was closed for more than an hour until the aircraft was towed back onto paved surface and was towed to the apron. Metars: VVTS 061130Z 18005KT 9999 FEW015CB SCT017 BKN040 25/24 Q1006 NOSIG VVTS 061100Z 21007KT 180V250 9999 -TSRT015CB 24/24 Q1006 NOSIG VVTS 061030Z 16008KT 120V180 6000 -TSRA SCT013 SCT015CB 24/24 Q1006 NOSIG VVTS 061000Z 11006KT 080V150 4000 TSRA BKN013 SCT015CB 24/23 Q1006 BECMG TL1010 5000 TSRA VVTS 060930Z 07009KT 360V140 1000 R07L/1400D +TSRA BKN013 SCT015CB 27/23 Q1005 BECMG TL0945 17010G20KT 1500 +TSRA VVTS 060900Z 15010KT 110V170 8000 -SHRA SCT015CB SCT017 29/24 Q1004 TEMPO FM0850 TL0915 20010G20KT 5000 TSRA VVTS 060830Z 10006KT 070V150 9999 FEW015CB SCT017 32/23 Q1004 NOSIG VVTS 060800Z 09005KT 050V160 9999 BKN017 33/23 Q1005 NOSIG VVTS 060730Z VRB02KT 9999 BKN017 34/24 Q1005 NOSIG VVTS 060700Z VRB03KT 9999 BKN017 32/24 Q1005 NOSIG VVTS 060630Z 07007KT 040V110 9999 BKN017 33/24 Q1006 NOSIG VVTS 060600Z VRB01KT 9999 SCT017 BKN040 33/22 Q1006 NOSIG |
Welcome to yet another summer monsoon season...
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Vietnam News
At the time of landing, Tan Son Nhat airport is a storm. Flight crew made the necessary measures, all 136 passengers with 8 crew members were safe. The plane was having trouble Airbus A321-231, registration number VNA353, shipping in October 2.2007 and Vietnam Airlines are put to the same period. States periodically check the latest techniques of this aircraft is on 27.4. Captain Mr. Tran Tuan Anh, a total of 4300 flight hours accumulated over time. |
Additional information from the local papers.
The over-run is reported as occurring at 1749 local (1049 UTC), which is after the significant weather highlighted in Sunnyjohn's post and according to the Metars, 07L would have had a slight tailwind component. The weather on Sunday afternoon was typical early-rainy-season with light scattered thunder showers, moving from west to east. 07L/25R is 10,000' long with 1000' stopways at either end, elevation 33'. |
I have just noticed that the weather data in Sunnyjohn's post are TAFs, not Metars.
Here are the hourly reports (presumably Metar decodes) from Weather Underground: 5:00 PM 24.0 °C - 23.0 °C 94% 1006 hPa 4.0 km ESE 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s - N/A Rain , Thunderstorm Thunderstorms and Rain 5:30 PM 24.0 °C - 24.0 °C 100% 1006 hPa 6.0 km SSE 14.8 km/h / 4.1 m/s - N/A Rain , Thunderstorm Light Thunderstorms and Rain 6:00 PM 24.0 °C - 24.0 °C 100% 1006 hPa 10.0 km SSW 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s - N/A Thunderstorm Light Thunderstorm |
Rubbish; they are METARS. When did you ever see a Temperature and a Dew Point in a TAF?
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Rubbish |
And when did you see BECMG and TEMPO in a Metar? |
@Dream Land
Spot on:D |
4300 hours. 200 in training. 4000 reading the newspaper. 100 with both eyes blinking rapidly :uhoh:
Another lucky break for them. Don't worry though. 100 cadets coming soon to save the day. Captain with 4 years flight experience. F/O with one year. I wonder if the traveling public knows about this skill and experience level when they buy a SkyTeam ticket. Apparently the VN airports know since you can't find anyone dumb enough to sell TRAVEL INSURANCE there!!! |
07L would have had a slight tailwind compone |
Captain with 4 years flight experience. F/O with one year. |
4300 hours. 200 in training. 4000 reading the newspaper. 100 with both eyes blinking rapidly |
Rubbish; they are METARS. When did you ever see a Temperature and a Dew Point in a TAF? Also, every TAF I have ever seen always gives the time group to which it refers, the quoted Weather reports are the actuals, ie METARS, at the standard 30 minute intervals. |
When did you ever see a Temperature and a Dew Point in a TAF? Because there are temperature forecasts in TAF also (TX for highs and TN for lows) |
TX and TN are forecast high temperature and low temperature so that we can do some forward performance planning (among other things). No TAF ever contains the ACTUAL temperature and the ACTUAL Dew Point (or any other kind of dew point for that matter).
Furthermore, as Top Bunk also says, every TAF must contain the date/time group at the beginning of the forecast period and the date/time group at the end of the forecast period. |
Was just privy to the DFDR decode…..
Aircraft touched down very smooth about 15 knots over Vapp in Heavy Rain. Before Autobrake "low" was fully active, the right brake pedal was pushed thereby deactivating the Autobrake (it's been suggested that it was pushed by the F/O) ELEVEN SECONDS later the brakes were pushed heavily and the aircraft vacated the runway. All main tires destroyed. Local A**bus rep say that they need to replace the landing gear. A/C is leased. more as I hear it….. |
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