SIA CARGO Salary...
 

Hi guys I am trying to find some realistic figures for SIA cargo FO salary.From what I heard is the basic is SGD 5300,but I am not sure.Any idea what is the average take back home pay is like?Hope someone could shed some light on this....Thank you

Basic salary is about SGD6000, which comprises of 90% basic + 10% MVC (monthly variable component). MVC was introduced during the downturn as a result of SARS and 9/11 whereby the company has the flexibility to take it away during bad times.

You'll be paid a "13th month" pay in December.

Per diem is SGD8 an hour from reporting time in Singapore till 1/2 hour after chocks on back in Singapore.

Flying allowance is SGD36 per hour.

No transport allowance, no paxing allowance.

Realistically, you can expect to fly between 30 to 40 hours a month.

So, you would most likely take home between SGD8k - SGD10k a month.

hi overmars, which part of the salary is/are taxable? and are they automatically deducted?

Everything is taxable in Singapore,at least when I was there and you pay tax about a year in arrears. They introduced a low 10% tax for expats for 5 years only.Not sure whether this still applies as no longer there.

overmars,

Please check your PM

How many days off (at home) per month?

Cargo rosters [U]very[U] flexible, so we have to talk averages. Probably about 10 -12 days off per month at base (Sing).

The low tax regime is still there for the first 5 yrs, on expat terms.

Good luck.

Everything is taxable. For Singapore tax rates, you can check Singapore's tax revenue's website: www.iras.gov.sg.

SIA Cargo is part of the IRAS' auto inclusion scheme, meaning the company will submit all our taxable income to IRAS. Then, you can submit what relief you are entitled to. When the tax men will then calculate your IOU by June or July, you will have to pay up either as a one-time lump sum, or by monthly deduction via your bank account.

One way to reduce your taxes, legally, is to apply for the Non-Ordinary Resident (NOR) status, which you can for the first five years, as explained by millerscourt.

As what burnden mentioned, our rosters are very unstable, or as what management likes to say, very dynamic. So you could spend 10 days in Singapore in a month, or maybe 20 days.

SIA Cargo has always been a bad deal compared to mainline which is why it was separated years ago from mainline.

Lots of positioning, no pay for it, reduced annual leave,ID tickets reduced.etc etc

One always needed at least 70 hours per month flying to make reasonable money which cargo guys did not often achieve as positioning does not count.

Once you have done a few positioning trips to say SFO/LAX straight through via SEL/HKG in the middle seat of economy surrounded by the great unwashed of the world the job takes on a whole new perspective.

SIA Cargo
 

So is the job any good?

Can you commute?

so no pay for positioning but is it economy positioning!??? can anybody give me an idea of a usual roster

thanks

Things have changed since this thread started.

Now, you DO get paid to position. However, still a lot of positioning.

Are they actually running any courses for DEC? I know SIA in general tend to panic early rather than wait and see when things look like they might slow down. As they might now.

Millers-

Generally used to get F/J in those days, with lots of Dom Perignon (or Krug, should you so prefer) to ease the pain of unpaid deadheading.
Singapore Girls's remit? --No glass shall remain empty :ok:

The new Collective Agreement is still in its early days and the factored pay for positioning is an improvement. But there are still significant differences between Mainline and Cargo contracts when it comes to child education allowance.

Cargo has also adopted the Mainline LMA deal to pay allowances that used to be called Out Of Base Allowance. LMA may work for Mainline but it has had a varied response in Cargo. If you are line crew and buy the right people chocolates you seem to spend a lot of time in Europe and Australia on over $300 a night. If you spend your life going backwards and forwards to India and Orient then you have just had a major pay cut.

Yet more pilots will now be spending their time working out to the last cent which COPs are the most lucrative when their time would be better spent having a look at the Manuals.

The sooner we go back to Out of Base allowance the better.

Phantom Driver

As I was Mainline I too sipped Krug/Dom but was being paid to position as well which made it taste better:}

Never had to position in Economy long haul but knew plenty who did especially Cargo boys and not a pleasant experience.

Hiya Ark,

Just to be clear, out of base meal allowances, (or per diems or whatever it's called) is not pay, it's an allowance meant to cover meals. It always bugged the cr*p outta me when cheap pilots argued that it was part of their salary...technically it's not...eat boys eat! That's what it's for! :rolleyes:

Hiya Leftie,

Agree with you to a point but the problems go much deeper than that. Due the delay and disruption that affects Cargo Ops you can find that you are rostered to report for a delayed flight at an outstation just in time to miss out on a dinner allowance when, in reality there is no chance of making the revised ETD.

Out of Base Allowance removes a lot of the opportunity and incentive to abuse the system from several quarters.

Paxing
 

And is deadheading now J-class or better, or can you still end up in cattle?
As some said, seems to be a lot of paxing. Thanks...

Paxing on SIA is on EY. However, if J class or First class are available, you will be upgraded. Not to suites, though, because it is 'a class beyond first'...

Hi all,

I have a few questions that any answers will be appreciated. What's the latest average take home pay for an FO (with getting paid for positioning) after being taxed? And what is the average hrs. that FO fly per month? Any chance for commuting home within south east asia?

Thanks

Subria

SIA vs. Sing Cargo
 

Is there ever movement between mainline SIA and Sing Cargo? Or are they completely separate operations with no pilot relationship/cross-over?

I thought I had read that SIA newbies sometimes start at Sing Cargo and then transition over to mainline? Thanks for any clarification.

The only movement between SIA and SQC is when pilots from SIA who are reaching the retiring age join SQC. Used to be guys reaching 62, who will move to SQC and fly till they are 65. Not sure of the policy in SIA now. Another movement will be First Officers from SIA who hold CPLs but no ATPLs (hence, not being able to become Captains) moving to SQC.

Newbies go to all subsidiaries (SIA, SQC and MI).

Any latest hiring info from SingCargo? Thanks

I would strongly suggest that you look at the cost of living in Singapore before accepting any position. On an expat contract (which included housing allowance, child education allowance and Annual Leave Ticket) the package was ok. But the cost of living has increased vastly in recent years and I understand that all new joiners are on local terms and are responsible for their own accommodation, travel and schooling costs.

On the sort of numbers mentioned in previous posts, a single guy who didn't want much of a social life would save very, very little, a married guy with a low maintenance wife and no children would struggle and a married guy with children just wouldn't survive.

Do your homework on the cost of living. There is also a bit of a political sea change taking place with a growing resistance to expats taking jobs that are perceived as being able to be done by locals.

Decent working environment on the flight deck though.

1. Singapore, and its economy, and dollar, is on the downslide.
2. This countrys policy, is to take as much as it can from you.
3. You will leave eventually, with zero in your pocket.
4. Ya, first world, blah blah blah. As a professional pilot, its not what your
salary or benefits are, but the amount you save in the end.
5. Great place to be in with a wife and young family, safe and clean, and
works beautiful. But a civil pilot has been bastardized by the gov through
the press and culture since 1980.
6. The Singapore Airlines/Cargo, and so on of the 90's and 00's, is finished.

Thank you for yr replies gentlemen, was thinking about commuting from Malaysia. Am married with no kids, been hearing the same thing from others as well, i guess im better off somewhere...thanks again :)

msian - think carefully before committing to SQC. Get all the terms and conditions and ask around. Esp with regards to bonding.