MAPA and MAS
 

Hello fellow aviators in South East Asia. I am a newbie in the aviation scene in this region. I understand that pilot unions are not allowed in Malaysia and thus MAPA was given the vital task of looking after the rights of Malaysian airline pilots. I wonder how MAPA can be expanded to include pilots from , say, AK, Firefly, Transmile, etc

How is MAPA's track record in dealing with MAS management, the Labour ministry, DCA, etc? Your insights and info would be most helpful. Thank you.

MAPA's record in dealings with the MAS management is at best, patchy. I believe it was fairly well received in the 70's and 80's. However, most of the office bearers were coopted into management and things rapidly went downhill! Later on instead of being invited to be coopted into the management, MAPA office bearers actively use positions in MAPA as stepping stones to management positions! Sad, but if you look at Malaysian politics you will sense that MAS is a microcosm of the Malaysian political scene.

gerago

Well said in the nut shell. :ok:
From the seniors even in the 80's it was the same.. a show 'ego' and recognition of individuals with certain exceptions.

This is what I gather so far; several of the MAPA office bearers of the 70's became management pilots in the 80's. MAS was chugging along fine and MAPA and MAS enjoyed a relatively symbiotic relationship; things could have been better but no major drama. In the late 80's and early 90's, MAPA politics went pear shaped. MAPA president and VP became actively involved in management while still holding office! Wearing 2 hats at the same time! Screwing pilots under the guise of negotiating with the management. Finally, the pygmy and toadie saga..........need I say more?:ugh::ugh::{:{

MAPA went downhill
 

MAPA sunk into the dumps when a certain ex-MAPA VP started his machination to set up his own empire when DFO Hassan retired. The incoming DFO lato K was an absolute dimwit and this fella decided to cream off the lot. Then when he weaseled himself into the MAPA prez post, he really set up his empire building in cohoots with the management. He really ****** the pilots, closing his eyes to blatant bypassing during PSB meetings, signing away F/O's travel privileges, sending dimwit MAPA council members to represent himself during important MAPA/management meetings when he had already had a done deal with the management ( so he could claim ignorance and escape blame for screwing the pilots ). In helping out the audit department, free junkets in travelling under the pretext of audit duties, etc. All these misdeeds became ammunitions for the camel who led the putsch in the mid 90's leading to dark days which never lifted till today!

Aiya, why are you guys so coy and kind? The bai lato' aka g string is the worse of the lot followed by toadie pigmy lato nababi and his sidekick nick whoselan. These are the worse of the MAPA miscreants. The useless prezidents were majic, lato tengku and kimchi azh....at least they did not stab or screw the pilots but highly useless due to ineptness. The present lot are just biding their time, mark my words.

MAPA representing non MAS pilots?
 

Not a chance, mate. TF will never allow it in AK and the rest of the other operators are probably too small to matter. And......pilots being selfish as they are, none are willing to take up the cause of the blokes in the smaller outfits. So, it's a pipe dream........

In the 80's when Yoga and Lek were prezs, not too bad. We had some good times, some tricky periods ( sic ) but generally no big pain. Then Lek's VP started his dirty tricks which Lek couldn't nip in the bud and Lek was dethroned. Up came Magic which got us the 1.5%+15 ringgit fiasco.............Next Lek's ex VP weaseled into Prez's position and it was a slalom down to the dumps for MAPA. The snake here..............read all about it in MH 653 hijack, need I say more?:ugh:

Lankasuka
Agreed. TF will want full control of the outfit and in any case see what MAPA can do and is able to do... f..ck all ?? :ugh: All a sendiwara man.!

Safe landings and Happy CNY of the tiger!

Dream on ! TF will never want a union outfit in AK,just dont complain n work hard n get paid!

Yogi & Lek basically did a decent job............Yogi probably loved the limelight; Lek tried to be politically correct most of the time but was done in by back room deals by his VP. This snake took things to a nasty diabolical level when he conned MAPA members into electing him president later with the " melayu taliban " scare; he made underhand, undercounter deals with management to the detriment of all MAS pilots all for benefit of himself and a few close cronies. It started an internal, systemic rot and decay that stinks to high heaven.

For MAPA to extend membership to guys in AK and other smaller outfits would require a lot of legal groundwork. The Kementerian Pengangkutan will probably have to be convinced ( or " rasuahed " ) and next you will have to deal with the ROS. Before you can come up with anything concrete, TF will have " rasuahed " and greased all the palms to kill off anything that will threaten his empire. There you have it, no way MAPA can spread its wings!

Bhai bashing session aka Guru
 

Cam'on guys , is this a bhai bashing session. Enough of the bhai. Let him rest in peace. :ugh:

Hi guys,
I am a newbie in this forum.........one question about MAPA heircachy; are the office hoolders the first people who help establish the union? Do you have seniority with the members' rank and what are the conditions for membership? Thanks!

Hi mokham, MAPA is not a union. It's just an association among pilots within Malaysia Airlines. Most of the progenitors of the association are probably retired. The office bearers are elected from the general membership. There is no seniority per se, no official pecking order. Conditions and requirements for membership are like for any associations or societies subject to guidelines made out by the registrar of societies with the additional proviso that the intending member be from the ranks of pilots employed in MAS.

MAPA as an umbrella association.
 

Great idea to explore. Me thinks all malaysian pilots should have some kind of representation where we can direct our grievances as well as useful suggestions to improve the working conditions, ATC services, airport services, etc. Otherwise no one gives a hoot to our contributions. Efforts should be made to extend the reach of MAPA. Instead of an insular organisation pandering to the needs of the big boys in MAS, MAPA can seek to spread wings to AK, Transmile, Berjaya. It can be a real positive thing.

MAPA as union or sprouting wings?
 

Dream on guys, ain't gonna happen. The union thingy was mooted in the 80's, nothing happened. SB started to eavesdrop on the phone lines of council members, spooking a whole lot of fellas and the matter was never broached again. Sprouting wings and extending membership to pilots of other carriers........I doubt the management of AK, Transmile and Berjaya will give two hoots about pilot representation improving the aviation industry. Anybody talking about will be probably get a nasty call about their periuk nasi and that's it folks...................:oh:

ganga747.......what made you think that any thread on MAS or MAPA is a bai thrashing endeavour? Get a grip; many people want to know about MAPA; it's the only legitimate organisation representing MAS pilots. If at all anyone comes up with the misdoings of the pariah bai, so be it! It is a fact that MAPA went downhill during his tenure.

Aiya, gerago, looks like you have misappropriated my name lah. Gotta eat more devil's curry to earn that, OK?

There are snippets of early and not too recent developments in MAPA hidden somewhere in Pprune archives; don't be lazy, seatrch, search, search.

Mat Sapu, very true........not only many people want to know, THEY SHOULD KNOW! Someone once wrote that MAS/MAPA are a microcosm of Malaysian society, very, very true. That is why young wannabes and uns in the Malaysian aviation industry need to be educated and enlightened. Otherwise, the way bolehland is going down the pits will be the way of MAS/MAPA.

ha ha ha, geragau and gerago...gee, hard not to get confused. Besides devil's curry, how about some cincalok with portuguese fish?

gerago, do search into pprune archives. Unfortunately, flydamnit has been closed otherwise there were some info there too.