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avoka 19th Apr 2019 12:05

Hi guys
Has Anybody attended skype interview for VNA recently ?
I know about disadvantages&advantages for VNA but I’m interested in only type of the questions during interview
Thanks and safe flights

A321drvr 19th Apr 2019 13:04

Hiya,

In case of Vietnam Airlines which agency is the best? I got an invitation to submit by Rishworth, FCI, CAE and the rest of the lot.

Cheerio,

Drvr

Yesse 26th Apr 2019 11:33

Last advice
 
Unveliable, last advise i saw from Rishworth, calling FO's to join the A350 fleet with FAKE upgrade announcement, fastrack... Come on, the guys who survived the SFO firing process 2 years ago have been working for the company for more than 5 years, and still waiting for the upgrade. I can't believe how these agencies lie to people.

Yesse 26th Apr 2019 11:36


Originally Posted by A321drvr (Post 10451266)
Hiya,

In case of Vietnam Airlines which agency is the best? I got an invitation to submit by Rishworth, FCI, CAE and the rest of the lot.

Cheerio,

Drvr

If you are brave enough to join VNA after all the risks you will have there, i recommend you to choose Parc. All others sucks, specially Rishworth which is the "bit....ch" of the company.

Jimmy The Big Greek 26th Apr 2019 11:44

I had very bad experience with PARC but good with Rishworth during my time in Vietnam! Actually I have started hearing a lot of bad things about PARC lately! They are treating their pilots like they are their property! Also, Rishworth and FCI have better medical insurance then PARC. Cashless and includes dentist!






Originally Posted by Yesse (Post 10456318)


If you are brave enough to join VNA after all the risks you will have there, i recommend you to choose Parc. All others sucks, specially Rishworth which is the "bit....ch" of the company.


A321drvr 26th Apr 2019 12:31

Thanks for the replies. Managed to talk with a few people since and I am under the impression that Rishworth or FCI are the way to go and that I should avoid Parc at all costs.

4runner 27th Apr 2019 04:04


Originally Posted by pezetaroi (Post 10366071)


He signed a concent letter with his agency, itís all in there... If he does attend the screening and is successful, he will also have to pay the penalty if he doesnít sign within three months. No surprises here, itís all stated by the agencies or at least the one I applied with...

unbelievable. You literally canít make this stuff up. No surprises? Thatís not a surprise, thatís Slavery. Even the Middle East airlines donít pull these stunts. If you go to their interview and donít join, youíre in debt???

Count von Altibar 27th Apr 2019 13:12

Which agencies are the biggest players in VNA? I'm guessing it's Rishworth, Parc then FCI or maybe direct personnel? Parc and Rishworth appear to have personnel on the ground at least.

Cool banana 28th Apr 2019 04:34

If you get the opportunity of agency, you will find FCI (USA) would be the better of any other agency available for VNA. local and contactable agency representatives,unlike Richworth and Parc that seem to go missing in action when issues arrive and it many times it might be days or weeks before you might get an response if you are lucky. Avoid Richworth.

DonVitto 28th Apr 2019 04:53

OTOH, FCI will withhold 20% of your salary for the first 6 months, theyíll give it back once you finish the five year contract, if you donít do the entire contract they will prorate and keep a percentage of the money, this on top of the penalties already in the contract for early termination, Parc and Rishworth donít do this, this is something important to keep in mind, FCI knows that many people donít make it to the end of the contract and theyíre making extra money off of that.

Yesse 28th Apr 2019 15:16


Originally Posted by Jimmy The Big Greek (Post 10456326)
I had very bad experience with PARC but good with Rishworth during my time in Vietnam! Actually I have started hearing a lot of bad things about PARC lately! They are treating their pilots like they are their property! Also, Rishworth and FCI have better medical insurance then PARC. Cashless and includes dentist!







Well, i left the company 2 years ago, when they start firing SFO's and asked to the Captains to reduce the roster pattern to 4x4. Then i lost my trust in the company and their unfair strategies to get rid of expats. I know today they regret, even they asked me many times to come back, but no way...
The point is that Parc was the only one agency trying to do something for pilots, Rishworth was just keeping silent until the last minute, when all agencies knew about the situation, and then they just sent the mails with 60 days notice to many of my SFO friends, of course, including all other offers they had in Asia to continue sucking their blood. They didn't try to fight or ask any explanation to the company, they just do what VNA says... U have no back up from Rishworth if u need them some day.
Yes, the medical insurance is one of the best, but other agencies have also medical insurance, so i think is not a big deal. All you would need to do with VNA if u come with rishworth should be paying first, so if you have some problem, for example, with some kind of transition to another fleet, they will take the money from the bond you have to pay in advance, then they could fire you. In Parc, you don't pay anything in advance, which is a good way to keep u flying until you find another place to go. I don't know, this is my personal opinion. I would choose any other agency, but never ever Rishworth.

wingdeagle 30th Apr 2019 23:27


Originally Posted by Yesse (Post 10458055)

Well, i left the company 2 years ago, when they start firing SFO's and asked to the Captains to reduce the roster pattern to 4x4. Then i lost my trust in the company and their unfair strategies to get rid of expats. I know today they regret, even they asked me many times to come back, but no way...
The point is that Parc was the only one agency trying to do something for pilots, Rishworth was just keeping silent until the last minute, when all agencies knew about the situation, and then they just sent the mails with 60 days notice to many of my SFO friends, of course, including all other offers they had in Asia to continue sucking their blood. They didn't try to fight or ask any explanation to the company, they just do what VNA says... U have no back up from Rishworth if u need them some day.
Yes, the medical insurance is one of the best, but other agencies have also medical insurance, so i think is not a big deal. All you would need to do with VNA if u come with rishworth should be paying first, so if you have some problem, for example, with some kind of transition to another fleet, they will take the money from the bond you have to pay in advance, then they could fire you. In Parc, you don't pay anything in advance, which is a good way to keep u flying until you find another place to go. I don't know, this is my personal opinion. I would choose any other agency, but never ever Rishworth.



Yesse, despite that you keep sounding like a broken record every time someone has a question about VNA, do you mind explaining what you mean by “SFO” ? It’s a term you keep bringing up. Do you mean “San Francisco” or “Second Officer” or what ? Thank you.

Yesse 1st May 2019 03:35

Basics
 

Originally Posted by wingdeagle (Post 10460147)


Yesse, despite that you keep sounding like a broken record every time someone has a question about VNA, do you mind explaining what you mean by ďSFOĒ ? Itís a term you keep bringing up. Do you mean ďSan FranciscoĒ or ďSecond OfficerĒ or what ? Thank you.

Ok, first, tell me if i said something unreal in any of my comments, if so, then i will demonstrate "again", i have no problem, really. And yes, somehow my heart was broken after 15 years flying in VN, when i see how everything changed, but much more, because i saw how they play with the people lives just by dirty money. What they did 2 years ago, shows up what they are. 15 years ago they were waiting for you with the open arms, today, they look at you like something they want to kick out as soon as they can. Today they are suffering a bit the consequences, the local guys are running away to Bamboo, those guys who were trained and defended by the company for free when they were nothing, their whole life as pilots, are running away, and Bamboo is paying the penalty for them. So the company tries to fulfill VNA always with local pilots, and local pilots are always backbiting the company as soon as they have the chance. The company hates expats, only they shows you that they are happy to have you there if they really really need you, same as now, but is just a matter of time, that they will do again what they did 2 years ago. When? I don't know, but the plan of the company is there, get rid of expats as soon as they can. The only one good thing, is that the local guys moves where they receive more money, because is the only one thing they care. Its obvious, the local guys just uses VNA for the experience, because they have everything for free, training, Type ratings, even initial pilot license if someone had good contacts, then when they have theTR, they fly the A321 as cadet... And after 2000 hours, upgraded to Captain. So easy, same as they like, everything done. That's why they have lower salary, and the reason of because they have to pay the penalty if they want to leave, because in fact, all they have belongs to VNA. The company is always trying to find the way to pay less. They can't reduce the salary of expat ( they would love to ) because if so, everybody will leave. To have an idea, there are people with contract with VNA who are 6 years old... There are many like this, i saw with my own eyes. This is because someone puts their children also in some position, just to suck more money. So, they need you to fly like crazy, doing the dirty job that local pilots they don't want to do, to feed all these mouths who are eating for free.
This is not a broken heart talking, this is an angry person who saw the corruption and dirty play from VNA, so i try to warn all new pilots trying to join the company. If you ask me 15 years ago, i would tell you a very different story, but today, this is the reality. Maybe you had a touch of grace from VNA and now you are lovely and so grateful with them, so now you want to please and kiss them back ( i will not say here the real name of this ) so i guess you heart is not broken yet. Anyway, there will be always people like you everywhere. Last month 2 more of my friends left the company. They didn't like what they see, after just a few months flying with them... I told them, but they wanted to try, and then they told me, i should have listen your words. So, again, i was broken heart, as you said

And to finish, can't believe your question, really. I am surprised about how ignorant is the people sometimes. Anyway, to acculturate yourself a bit more, as everybody knows SFO means Senior First Officer. You sound suspiciously as a local!! But anyway, Good luck and congrats, you learned one more thing today. You are welcome!!!

wingdeagle 2nd May 2019 03:56


Originally Posted by Yesse (Post 10460216)


Ok, first, tell me if i said something unreal in any of my comments, if so, then i will demonstrate "again", i have no problem, really. And yes, somehow my heart was broken after 15 years flying in VN, when i see how everything changed, but much more, because i saw how they play with the people lives just by dirty money. What they did 2 years ago, shows up what they are. 15 years ago they were waiting for you with the open arms, today, they look at you like something they want to kick out as soon as they can. Today they are suffering a bit the consequences, the local guys are running away to Bamboo, those guys who were trained and defended by the company for free when they were nothing, their whole life as pilots, are running away, and Bamboo is paying the penalty for them. So the company tries to fulfill VNA always with local pilots, and local pilots are always backbiting the company as soon as they have the chance. The company hates expats, only they shows you that they are happy to have you there if they really really need you, same as now, but is just a matter of time, that they will do again what they did 2 years ago. When? I don't know, but the plan of the company is there, get rid of expats as soon as they can. The only one good thing, is that the local guys moves where they receive more money, because is the only one thing they care. Its obvious, the local guys just uses VNA for the experience, because they have everything for free, training, Type ratings, even initial pilot license if someone had good contacts, then when they have theTR, they fly the A321 as cadet... And after 2000 hours, upgraded to Captain. So easy, same as they like, everything done. That's why they have lower salary, and the reason of because they have to pay the penalty if they want to leave, because in fact, all they have belongs to VNA. The company is always trying to find the way to pay less. They can't reduce the salary of expat ( they would love to ) because if so, everybody will leave. To have an idea, there are people with contract with VNA who are 6 years old... There are many like this, i saw with my own eyes. This is because someone puts their children also in some position, just to suck more money. So, they need you to fly like crazy, doing the dirty job that local pilots they don't want to do, to feed all these mouths who are eating for free.
This is not a broken heart talking, this is an angry person who saw the corruption and dirty play from VNA, so i try to warn all new pilots trying to join the company. If you ask me 15 years ago, i would tell you a very different story, but today, this is the reality. Maybe you had a touch of grace from VNA and now you are lovely and so grateful with them, so now you want to please and kiss them back ( i will not say here the real name of this ) so i guess you heart is not broken yet. Anyway, there will be always people like you everywhere. Last month 2 more of my friends left the company. They didn't like what they see, after just a few months flying with them... I told them, but they wanted to try, and then they told me, i should have listen your words. So, again, i was broken heart, as you said

And to finish, can't believe your question, really. I am surprised about how ignorant is the people sometimes. Anyway, to acculturate yourself a bit more, as everybody knows SFO means Senior First Officer. You sound suspiciously as a local!! But anyway, Good luck and congrats, you learned one more thing today. You are welcome!!!

Yesse, a couple of facts:
I am not a local (with all the deep respect towards locals, my English grammar is a bit better than locals’).
I am not with VNA anymore, but spent almost ten years there.
Unlike you, I signed a contract which clearly defined my tasks: fly an airplane from point A to point B, get paid and go home.
My contract did not include the right to stick my nose into company politics and look for it’s faults.
YOU Sir clearly never understood what the flying contract world is about, this is why you are now angry, bitter and broken hearted. Yet Sir you have a huge ego: SENIOR FIRST OFFICERS ? Were you flying at Lufthansa, Cathay or Emirates ? Because they do have this title. VNA never had and does not have a SFO position, so quit making up stuff. Some FO’s are more experienced than others, but so are Captains. So what’s next: senior Captain �� ? I am truly sorry you signed a marriage contract with VNA, expecting love and affection which ended up in divorce. I signed a simple contract which gave both parties the possibility to quit with a timely notice.
P.S. I do agree that things there have changed (for the worst). If I would warn someone from going there it would be the dramatic decline in cockpit standards and basic flying skills !
Have a nice day.

Yesse 2nd May 2019 05:39


Originally Posted by wingdeagle (Post 10461008)

Yesse, a couple of facts:
I am not a local (with all the deep respect towards locals, my English grammar is a bit better than localsí).
I am not with VNA anymore, but spent almost ten years there.
Unlike you, I signed a contract which clearly defined my tasks: fly an airplane from point A to point B, get paid and go home.
My contract did not include the right to stick my nose into company politics and look for itís faults.
YOU Sir clearly never understood what the flying contract world is about, this is why you are now angry, bitter and broken hearted. Yet Sir you have a huge ego: SENIOR FIRST OFFICERS ? Were you flying at Lufthansa, Cathay or Emirates ? Because they do have this title. VNA never had and does not have a SFO position, so quit making up stuff. Some FOís are more experienced than others, but so are Captains. So whatís next: senior Captain �� ? I am truly sorry you signed a marriage contract with VNA, expecting love and affection which ended up in divorce. I signed a simple contract which gave both parties the possibility to quit with a timely notice.
P.S. I do agree that things there have changed (for the worst). If I would warn someone from going there it would be the dramatic decline in cockpit standards and basic flying skills !
Have a nice day.

Feeling amazing after your answer, thanks. Same as i thought. Anyway, at least in my case, when i work for an airline, i don't fly as a mercenary. My duty now is to advise all other pilots what they will have if they join an airline like this. Specially SFO's ( Senior First Officer, in General, a First Officer with more than 4000 hours flight time. No need to be in Lufthansa. You are welcome ) Because they are looking for them to fly 787 and A350, under the promise of a fake fastrack upgrade opportunity. You go to VNA as VNA as FO, 99% you will leave VNA as FO. This is the real thing. As i said in a comment before, the SFO's who survived to the firing process 2 years ago, still waiting for their upgrade, most of them on A350. So, you will go to the end of the list, and considering that these guys are now the last option for the company for being upgraded ( only if they really really need, same as always happened ) so you could imagine when would arrive the upgrade chance for the new A350 FO's... As i said before, 99% NEVER. And this is my warning and my duty with other colleagues. If the reality sounds bitter for you, am sorry, but i will not sweet your ear talking about VNA, honey... Have a nice day too!!

wingdeagle 2nd May 2019 06:31

You do not fly as mercenary ? According to you, you were in VNA 15 years so I guess you did just that. 4000 hours for SFO ? What is your reference, ICAO manuals or are you pulling this info out of your nose ? In my time at VNA countless expats came as FOs who are now Captains, TRIs, TREs and fly wide bodies. You want a career though ? Stay away from contract world and go work for an airline directly.

ia1166 3rd May 2019 12:14


Originally Posted by Yesse (Post 10461031)


Feeling amazing after your answer, thanks. Same as i thought. Anyway, at least in my case, when i work for an airline, i don't fly as a mercenary. My duty now is to advise all other pilots what they will have if they join an airline like this. Specially SFO's ( Senior First Officer, in General, a First Officer with more than 4000 hours flight time. No need to be in Lufthansa. You are welcome ) Because they are looking for them to fly 787 and A350, under the promise of a fake fastrack upgrade opportunity. You go to VNA as VNA as FO, 99% you will leave VNA as FO. This is the real thing. As i said in a comment before, the SFO's who survived to the firing process 2 years ago, still waiting for their upgrade, most of them on A350. So, you will go to the end of the list, and considering that these guys are now the last option for the company for being upgraded ( only if they really really need, same as always happened ) so you could imagine when would arrive the upgrade chance for the new A350 FO's... As i said before, 99% NEVER. And this is my warning and my duty with other colleagues. If the reality sounds bitter for you, am sorry, but i will not sweet your ear talking about VNA, honey... Have a nice day too!!

Personally I am quite happy here seeing it out till my retirement. I fulfill my part of the contract and VN has always abided by their part. I follow my roster. Follow the SOP and FOM closely. Do what I am told and don't create problems

Money flows to me, and loyalty flows back. All as it should be. All in equilibrium.

To be honest Yesse, Vietjet must be treating you well. Why get so wound up?

ia1166 3rd May 2019 12:20

Yesse,

I know who you are. And I know why you left.

Please stop attacking the airline that provided you with the qualification you now use at a competing airline. Its childish

wingdeagle 3rd May 2019 18:41


Originally Posted by ia1166 (Post 10461966)
Yesse,

I know who you are. And I know why you left.

Please stop attacking the airline that provided you with the qualification you now use at a competing airline. Its childish

Ia1166, AMEN to what you wrote 🙏🏼.

ia1166 3rd May 2019 22:03


Originally Posted by wingdeagle (Post 10462207)


Ia1166, AMEN to what you wrote 🙏🏼.

Its fake news to divert recruitment to his airline. I can tell more if required


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