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kimono1950 13th Nov 2018 15:35

Last year, 10 SFO were nominated for the upgrade course and guess what ? They have been fired !

Do not believe these monkeysī lies !

Yesse 14th Nov 2018 05:12


Originally Posted by kimono1950 (Post 10310079)
Last year, 10 SFO were nominated for the upgrade course and guess what ? They have been fired !

Do not believe these monkeysī lies !

only 3 FO's were upgraded. One is the son of one pilot XXX, the other 2 italians, and you know about italians... In fact, there was a famous trouble with one of those italians ( they both paid the 25 grand under the table ) because one of them failed the interview, because they confused his name with the name of another guy who went with him the same day to the interview. The other guy passed, and the italian fail, even paying the 25.000. This italian guy was so angry, and finally they request to the guy who passed to repeat the interview 2 months after. Then they both were angry, and the guy who passed said "no way" to repeat the interview when he passed already. They fired him and today the italian who failed is flying as Captain. This is VNA.

Luke SkyToddler 4th Dec 2018 11:52

I did my upgrade a few months ago. I'm not Italian, or anyone's son. I was never pressured or suggested to pay anything under the table to anyone. My sim partner was also foreign, I'm sure he would say the same thing 100%.

Yes some unprofessional behaviour went down a couple of years ago with how the A321 and the A330 FOs were treated, also some of the A330 captains, I won't deny any of that, but let's not just make up B.S. about how they fired "everyone", and nobody got upgraded without paying black money.

Not trying to start a fight with anyone, just stating the facts :)

BAe 146-100 5th Dec 2018 10:56

Wouldnít happen to be a aussie would it.

Yesse 5th Dec 2018 12:08

Not paid under the table??
 
Well, if when i was upgraded long time ago, i should have pay some extra coins under the table... i would say the same words as you say. I know this facts by first hands. One thing is for sure, if you pay under the table, you will never put ON the table now that you had to pay. Cheers and congrats!!

Rotate15 5th Jan 2019 10:38

Hello there,

I see that Rishworth is advertising positions for B787 FOs with Vietnam airlines.
Can somebody give some info about this position? Meaning: average take home pay per month, roster, accomodation, upgrade opportunities, etc?

Thanks

NicolaiN 6th Jan 2019 21:40

Any info about low hour entry jobs in Vietjet or just in Vietnam ? :D

Yesse 9th Jan 2019 20:07

Never
 

Originally Posted by Rotate15 (Post 10352488)
Hello there,

I see that Rishworth is advertising positions for B787 FOs with Vietnam airlines.
Can somebody give some info about this position? Meaning: average take home pay per month, roster, accomodation, upgrade opportunities, etc?

Thanks

My friend, the agencies are trying the imposible to bring pilots because many of local guys left to Bamboo Airways. They promise everything, but there are a lot of local guys waiting for the upgrade, and some foreigners flying 787 and 350 already. The real thing is that i don't think that the upgrade opportunity is real if some new guys are coming. They are recruiting a lot of local cadets also, more than 500 starting this 2019, so i don't think that even for the foreigners working for VNA already, will have any chance to be upgraded... is a joke the quantity of lies that the agencies are inventing with VNA. If you just want to be in VNA for a couple of years, i think is ok, but forget about any chance to be upgraded... That is a big lie. About the income, 9200 USD for FO A350 or 787. If you are alone, you can live with 1000 usd plus 1000 more for the rent ( just single room apartment ). If you are with wife and children, forget it... You will just survive month by month. You have to go by yourself to the airport ( 45 minutes from Hanoi or 30 minutes to 1 hour in Saigon ). Forget about drive a car, you will pay 30.000 usd for a car worth 10.000 usd out of VN. There are many good things, but not everything is good. The people is nice, but also the corruption and cheating is everywhere. This is a third world country, beautiful somehow, but not everybody could get use to this. So, as i said, if you just want to try for a couple of years, is perfect. After that i would recomend you to leave as soon as you can, because they just could fire you with 60 days notice, as they did with all the SFO one year ago, and if you don't have plan and savings... Would be a huge problem, because can't do many things with just 60 days. Think well, i am being asked for many friends about these positions also, my answer is the same, stay away ane never listen the lies of the agencies. One of them he came anyway, and after 2 months just left ( and i am talking about a Captain, you could imagine as FO ). I hope this could help. Good luck!!

Rotate15 9th Jan 2019 20:49


Originally Posted by Yesse (Post 10356417)

My friend, the agencies are trying the imposible to bring pilots because many of local guys left to Bamboo Airways. They promise everything, but there are a lot of local guys waiting for the upgrade, and some foreigners flying 787 and 350 already. The real thing is that i don't think that the upgrade opportunity is real if some new guys are coming. They are recruiting a lot of local cadets also, more than 500 starting this 2019, so i don't think that even for the foreigners working for VNA already, will have any chance to be upgraded... is a joke the quantity of lies that the agencies are inventing with VNA. If you just want to be in VNA for a couple of years, i think is ok, but forget about any chance to be upgraded...

That is a big lie. About the income, 9200 USD for FO A350 or 787. If you are alone, you can live with 1000 usd plus 1000 more for the rent ( just single room apartment ).

If you are with wife and children, forget it... You will just survive month by month. You have to go by yourself to the airport ( 45 minutes from Hanoi or 30 minutes to 1 hour in Saigon ). Forget about drive a car, you will pay 30.000 usd for a car worth 10.000 usd out of VN. There are many good things, but not everything is good.

The people is nice, but also the corruption and cheating is everywhere. This is a third world country, beautiful somehow, but not everybody could get use to this. So, as i said, if you just want to try for a couple of years, is perfect. After that i would recomend you to leave as soon as you can, because they just could fire you with 60 days notice, as they did with all the SFO one year ago, and if you don't have plan and savings... Would be a huge problem, because can't do many things with just 60 days.

Think well, i am being asked for many friends about these positions also, my answer is the same, stay away ane never listen the lies of the agencies. One of them he came anyway, and after 2 months just left ( and i am talking about a Captain, you could imagine as FO ). I hope this could help. Good luck!!

Hello Yesse,

Thank you for the detailed reply. Lots of useful information about the company.
Cheers

ia1166 9th Jan 2019 21:11


Originally Posted by Yesse (Post 10356417)

My friend, the agencies are trying the imposible to bring pilots because many of local guys left to Bamboo Airways. They promise everything, but there are a lot of local guys waiting for the upgrade, and some foreigners flying 787 and 350 already. The real thing is that i don't think that the upgrade opportunity is real if some new guys are coming. They are recruiting a lot of local cadets also, more than 500 starting this 2019, so i don't think that even for the foreigners working for VNA already, will have any chance to be upgraded... is a joke the quantity of lies that the agencies are inventing with VNA. If you just want to be in VNA for a couple of years, i think is ok, but forget about any chance to be upgraded... That is a big lie. About the income, 9200 USD for FO A350 or 787. If you are alone, you can live with 1000 usd plus 1000 more for the rent ( just single room apartment ). If you are with wife and children, forget it... You will just survive month by month. You have to go by yourself to the airport ( 45 minutes from Hanoi or 30 minutes to 1 hour in Saigon ). Forget about drive a car, you will pay 30.000 usd for a car worth 10.000 usd out of VN. There are many good things, but not everything is good. The people is nice, but also the corruption and cheating is everywhere. This is a third world country, beautiful somehow, but not everybody could get use to this. So, as i said, if you just want to try for a couple of years, is perfect. After that i would recomend you to leave as soon as you can, because they just could fire you with 60 days notice, as they did with all the SFO one year ago, and if you don't have plan and savings... Would be a huge problem, because can't do many things with just 60 days. Think well, i am being asked for many friends about these positions also, my answer is the same, stay away ane never listen the lies of the agencies. One of them he came anyway, and after 2 months just left ( and i am talking about a Captain, you could imagine as FO ). I hope this could help. Good luck!!

i know 2 p2f guys that started a couple of years ago. One is now on full fo salary over in jetstar and very happy.

the other is now on the 350 here in vn on full 350 fo salary. He is very happy slso.

seems tonhave been a pretty good move on their part. Worked out very well for them.

Yesse 10th Jan 2019 00:52

And the upgrade?
 

Originally Posted by ia1166 (Post 10356484)


i know 2 p2f guys that started a couple of years ago. One is now on full fo salary over in jetstar and very happy.

the other is now on the 350 here in vn on full 350 fo salary. He is very happy slso.

seems tonhave been a pretty good move on their part. Worked out very well for them.

And the promised upgrade that all the agencies are talking about? I hope you don't say that this is true.

DonVitto 10th Jan 2019 04:14


Originally Posted by Yesse (Post 10356603)

And the promised upgrade that all the agencies are talking about? I hope you don't say that this is true.

The agency Iím with has not promised any upgrades but they have pretty much guaranteed a raise this year, It hasnít happened in the past three years, I donít see it happening this year either.

Iím more interested to know what you guys think about the latest revision to the FOM, more specifically where it talks about reserves, the way I understand it is weíre now basically available for the company 24/7, please correct me as I sincerely hope Iím wrong.

BAe 146-100 10th Jan 2019 04:50


Originally Posted by ia1166 (Post 10356484)


i know 2 p2f guys that started a couple of years ago. One is now on full fo salary over in jetstar and very happy.

the other is now on the 350 here in vn on full 350 fo salary. He is very happy slso.

seems tonhave been a pretty good move on their part. Worked out very well for them.

the p2f guys always seem to be better off...wonder why that is.

Sunliner81 11th Jan 2019 12:40

You idiots. VNA for an expat CAN BE a good job if you are a DEC and looking for a change for whatever reason. It's an even better job if you are out of work and looking for a no-fuss, quick and easy interview, induction and check to line. Your salary isn't too bad and it does go a long way if you are a SINGLE guy. Vietnam in general is great for a single guy if you get my drift : ) The package is even better if one of their destinations is your home city or in close proximity to.

As with anything, the above things WILL NOT apply for everyone. If it doesn't, then VNA isn't for you. It certainly IS NOT a good job for a P2F (no P2F program is ever any good). And it certainly IS NOT a good job for an FO looking to upgrade, or for a Captain looking to transition to bigger equipment without paying for it. If you are one of these guys and still join with those aspirations, you are a FOOL. Stop having a cry on this forum when your 'promises' did not eventuate. You just didn't do your homework. What you are doing is tarnishing this OK job for most because you tried to apply a job that was never suited to your situation.

Yesse 11th Jan 2019 18:40

How much?
 

Originally Posted by Sunliner81 (Post 10357923)
You idiots. VNA for an expat CAN BE a good job if you are a DEC and looking for a change for whatever reason. It's an even better job if you are out of work and looking for a no-fuss, quick and easy interview, induction and check to line. Your salary isn't too bad and it does go a long way if you are a SINGLE guy. Vietnam in general is great for a single guy if you get my drift : ) The package is even better if one of their destinations is your home city or in close proximity to.

As with anything, the above things WILL NOT apply for everyone. If it doesn't, then VNA isn't for you. It certainly IS NOT a good job for a P2F (no P2F program is ever any good). And it certainly IS NOT a good job for an FO looking to upgrade, or for a Captain looking to transition to bigger equipment without paying for it. If you are one of these guys and still join with those aspirations, you are a FOOL. Stop having a cry on this forum when your 'promises' did not eventuate. You just didn't do your homework. What you are doing is tarnishing this OK job for most because you tried to apply a job that was never suited to your situation.

How much money is paying VNA for your coments? For your info, me and many others left VNA long time ago by ourselves. Nobody is crying here, just warning other colleages about the risks to left an stable job in another airline for another that could be not safe at all, yes, specially for FO's SFO'S and even Captains, and this is for all fleets, because the corruption there is a fact. Is their airline, i understand, but i had many SFO's friends who were fired just because they found some other business with some foreigner cadets who were paying a huge quantity of money for the training. So good bye to the safety, 3 runway excursions, one landing on the wrong runway, etc etc... And the guys fired they had a 5 years contract, they put the trust on VNA, and on 60 days they were out in the middle of the contract. This is what we are trying to asvise here for all those guys who don't know anything about VNA. Same as all those other colleagues who were fired with no reasons, humilliated and failed in the upgrade interview because they didn't pay the 25.000 USD under the table ( even many of them were much more ready than many other local pilots who were upgraded at that time... But yes... they paid the personal hidden fee ). So please, i don't know for who you ate working for, maybe you are one of those corrup local guys, but don't tell me that VNA is a good place to trust... After 15 years flying there, and as i always say, if you have no job, ok, but if you are flying for any other company, don't even think about VNA, the best thing, stay away.

Luke SkyToddler 12th Jan 2019 00:24

Well then don't be the guy that lands on the wrong runway or goes off the side of it. YOU can still be a safe captain here, if other people want to fly to a different standard, then that's their problem not yours. Sh!t is still going to happen occasionally because of the uniquely difficult and dangerous environment that we're in here, especially during rainy season, but honestly I have always found the safety management guys to be fair and decent when dealing with minor *** ups, as long as you made the captain report and didn't try to hide it. If you have a major major **** up that hits the headlines or writes off a jet, sure, you'll probably be gone, same with ALL airlines

Don't be the guy who pays money under the table. Despite your never ending claims to the contrary, you DON'T have to pay a single cent under the table money for anything here including the upgrade, IF they respect you and want to keep you around.

If they don't like you, and they don't particularly care if you stay or go, and if they think you have a weak personality and can be squeezed, and especially if they know you're already screwing your colleagues by paying the roster girls for nice roster, and ESPECIALLY if they know you constantly insult them and call them "monkeys" behind their back when you think they're not listening, then maybe they're gonna play money games with you at upgrade time. I wouldn't know :rolleyes:

With regard to the 60 days notice, yep, just like every other contract job. If you get a better offer halfway through your 5 year contract, you, too, can give them 60 days notice and walk away with no penalty. And most people do.

With regard to the JPA Hanoi pilots, 1) it's JPA not VNA, and 2) I am 99% sure that most of them got given the offer to relocate to HCM and continue their employment. Maybe she didn't take that offer for personal reasons, maybe they didn't make her that offer for reasons of their own? I don't know the person. Every airline in the world opens and closes a base sometimes, and makes people redundant, Cathay did it not so long ago.

This place has some issues, but seriously for most people, the crap you keep talking about - 60 days notice period, under-the-table money, failing the upgrade interview - they are NOT problems that affect the majority of pilots here. Just a few guys. For some strange reason. I wonder why :hmm:

Sunliner81 12th Jan 2019 02:55


How much money is paying VNA for your coments?
Nothing, I no longer work there.


Nobody is crying here, just warning other colleages about the risks to left an stable job in another airline for another that could be not safe at all, yes, specially for FO's SFO'S and even Captains, and this is for all fleets, because the corruption there is a fact.
Leaving any job in a stable airline for a contract job in Asia carries some risk. I agree with you that for FOs, it is a poor choice for career progression. Disagree with you for Captains who want to remain on the A321.


corruption there is a fact.
Its Vietnam, what do you expect? Corrupt or not corrupt, they pay you to fly, and if you fly correctly, you do not hear from them. Life was good for me and my buddies.


i had many SFO's friends who were fired
They were not fired. They had their contracts terminated due to surplus requirements (i.e. cheaper local pilots and P2F fools) in accordance with the contracts that they signed. Like I said before, coming here as an FO carries alot of risk. But they signed the contract...


they put the trust on VNA
Very foolish.


Same as all those other colleagues who were fired with no reasons
Never heard of any expat CAPTAIN who has been fired for no reason. Some have been fired for screwing up, which happens in every airline.


but don't tell me that VNA is a good place to trust... After 15 years flying there, and as i always say, if you have no job, ok, but if you are flying for any other company, don't even think about VNA, the best thing, stay away.
I didn't say that you can trust VNA. I'm saying it can be a good job if you already a Captain, want to remain on the A321 and enjoy the Vietnamese lifestyle for 6 weeks at a time.

ia1166 12th Jan 2019 08:25


Originally Posted by DonVitto (Post 10356655)


The agency I’m with has not promised any upgrades but they have pretty much guaranteed a raise this year, It hasn’t happened in the past three years, I don’t see it happening this year either.

I’m more interested to know what you guys think about the latest revision to the FOM, more specifically where it talks about reserves, the way I understand it is we’re now basically available for the company 24/7, please correct me as I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

sorry, i missed this with all the white noise. Yes it is. A blank day is not a day off required by FOM. Required off days are noted as so on your roster.

For anyone getting more than minimum rest. 350 and 787 , and guys on more than 6 and 2.

The 321 guys on 6 and 2 or better won't be affected by this.




Yesse 12th Jan 2019 09:34

So?
 
Whatever you say. The thing is, would you recommend to any of your friends to work for VNA? Would you encourage any A350 or 787 FO to come to VNA with the hope of being upgraded?? Would you recomend any guy flying for Qatar, Emirates, or any other airline with undefined contract to change for VNA? That's the point!!!!

Luke SkyToddler 12th Jan 2019 09:56

If you had ever actually worked in the middlle east you wouldn't even have to ask that question

There's one thing that all the ex QR guys here can agree on, leaving that place and coming here was the best thing we ever did :)


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