YES only ID90 & ID75 for your family members on VAC network
no agreement with other companies (sorry no AA)
the rumor is U.S.A. flights by end of year.........just rumor
plus every time you fly on your scheduled time OFF
its a free ticket for you, and 99.9% you'll go on Business Class
the nearest will be CDG o FRA to U.S.A......or Japan if you live in the other coast

If anyone is able to email the PARC and RAL contracts that would be much appreciated?
I am interested in the ATR 72 CPT position with the opportunity to upgrade to A320.
Thanks in advance

Hi guys,

I'm based in SGN with Jetstar 737 and I can tell you that VN needs huge amount of pilots. First because some are leaving and second because you can see several aircraft grounded because they don't have crews to operate them.

I recommend coming to SGN, things are really cheap... specially if you know where to search and you don't need to live in your 300 m2 house with swimingpool and tennis court.

Here in Jetstar they are also looking for pilots and with the introduction of the first A320 in one month it seems that they will have to pay the same as VN Airlines pays to CPT and FOs. I believe they're still looking for DEC for the 737, don't know about the req.

what no smimming pool and no tennis courts !!!! :=

Hi guys. What is the pay like for a B777 FO? Do they pay per diem and/or outstation allowance? So how much will I have in my hand at the end of the month? Thanks.

777 Fo
 

Think it's between 9 and 10, that includes everything, no allowance on the road, rent is between 500 and 1000 for a decent place, hotel contracts down route are five star with free breakfast.

Can't help you with the current contract, the upgrade opportunity isn't something that will be included in a contract but after a year or two on the line it may be available.

The contract states $8000 for A320 FO for the 6/2 option. Is that what you get into the pocket or are there any additional deductions, say for the contract agency folks.

You get it all. $8000 is after the contractor takes their cut.

I have heard that some contracts are now being paid in Euros. Can anyone confirm that?

To be more exact it's 9,464 USD for the 6/2 option B777 F/O.

really. thats almost the same as a 320 skipper who works considerably harder.

The 6 and 2 is not as utopian as it sounds. for a start you cannot get days off either side of your rotation so the first and last days are spent travelling. Not so bad for the aussies but not good for the europeans/americans (north and south). They also include rotation days as your days off allocation. you get 7 days off a month here, but if you spread your rotation over 2 months ie the last week of one month and the first of the next, you don't get any more days off for those 2 months. Worse case scenario you get a total, thats, TOTAL number of days off a year of 114, of which 84 are rotation of which 12 of those are spent travelling. That leaves 72 days free at home. Even an office worker gets more than that. Couple that with 1 week rosters, massive roster disruption call in sick and they change it to a day off, you can't get 2 days off together unless you beg so you can't get out of the city, no staff travel benefits, and the worst 4 sector day flying, Vietnam Airlines is not Utopia. i think most of the guys on this thread are in a bit of a honeymoon period.

ia1166

I am confused by your last post so would you or anyone with Vietnam clear up a few things concerning the work schedule for a 320 F/O.

From what was posted earlier, I thought that you work for 6 weeks and during those 6 weeks you would get about 2 free days per week off. At the end of the last day of the 6 weeks, you would then get 14 straight days off prior to being scheduled for a flight. Do I understand this correctly here or are there some other catches?

What do you mean by rotation days? Are these part of your 14 days off or are these part of the weekly 2 days off you get while working? Do you normally get 2 days off per week during your 6 weeks?

Are there any limits to flight hours per week or month and if so then what are they? Thanks for the info.

That seems to be the case for most airlines. Widebody flying seems to give you a little better quality of life.

ia1166 I'm 100% with you. You always have to thinks trough before accepting a contract. A 6 weeks on /3 off or 11 to 15 per month like korean IS a true commuting contract. And for those at VN who does'nt live within there network well its a no brainer....

In a normal contract you have min 8 days off per month while the office boys and girls have 10 per month = 8x12=96
annual leave 43 days anything less is rubish since you are expat and need to go home total 139.

VN you say 72days and you get to buy a full fair ticket at the other end....

2 days a week off? Sorry mate but no chuffing chance here buddy. The fom states 7 days off minimum a month. And 24 in 3 months. Well your 2 weeks off is called rotation here. But they also count as days off so you get just 7 days a month when you are here. And thats only if you are here for a full month. If you take your 2 weeks rotation across 2 months, then it all counts as days off so you are effectively entitled to no more days off that month. You do get a 36 hour break every 7 days, but as this can be from say 0900 on monday to 2100 on tuesday it doesn't mean its a day off. So during your 6 weeks you're only going to get a 36 hour break every 7 days, or 1 day a week. or in other terms during a 6 week work rotation you may only get 5 days off, ie 1 every 7 days.

The worst thing is going on rotation on say the 8th to the 22nd. They can make you work the full 8 days until you leave, the 36 hours off they owe you would then be part of your rotation, then when you come back they can make you work 6 days straight and then give you 1 day off (36 hour rule). and thats it for that month.

oh and if you think of going sick after 20 sectors in 5 days all at different times of the day because you've collapsed in fatigue, then they call it a day off and you're straight back into 6 days working when you report back for duty. As i say, utopia it ain't.

In answer to the 14 days off, yes you do get 14 days straight. But the Paris flight leaves at 0100 and rocks up in paris around 8 am. add on the tavelling home and thats your first day gone. the return flight leaves paris at 1400 and arrives 0700, you can't work the day of arrival so its your day number 14, so you need to leave paris on day 13, so if you're travelling from england you have to leave around 8am on day 13, which gives you only 11 days clear at home. Clear as mud? You have to look at it all carefully.

On the subject of flight hours, well the expats here do all the 4 short sector days. This means you will normally do 8 to 12 hour days but only pick up 4 or 5 hours. So we rarely reach 90 hours a month. You will however do 55 hours a week duty, week in week out. Once you start nudging your duty hours they will get you in to do a very short flight. The game of rostering is to make you work every day as its good for the party, and you never ever get more than the minimum 7 days a month.

All i can say is if it was that good, they wouldn't be short of people. guys are always leaving, most without giving full notice, some guys lasted 3 weeks last year.

If it's real commuting you want, join Korean.

If the B777 FO pay is $9,464 USD for the 6/2 roster, how much is it pro-rated for 5/3 or 4/4 roster?

is this training bond for initial training... or for upgrade training?

i have had some correspondance with no mention of a bond yet, just curious how that works

The training bond is only for upgrade training.

I am considering an FO position, and if so I would set up over there, returning to the US only as needed to make family visits.

Are there many expats there who make a new home there? I currently fly from the US to Central and South America, as well as the Caribbean, and spend my days off exploring these countries. My idea would be to use my rotations to travel Asia and the South Pacific in the same manner.

I can understand how the 6 and 2 would pose headaches for those who want to spend time at home, however with the need to commute not so much an issue, would the extra money be worth less time off?

Also for a small, but reasonably nice apartment, what are typical living expenses? In other words, how much can I expect to pocket after paying bills

ia1166

In the above situation, since you are working on both Monday and Tuesday and do not get a full day off, will you then get a full day off (0001-2400)somewhere in the week?

In other words, does the 36 hour break in the above specific scenario count towards your minimum 7 days off per month as 1 day off?