ajv contract in tokyo
 

Hi guys,

anybody can tell me something about this contract? Are people o.k? Will they update salary regardind usd recent devaluation? What are the sectors flown?
Is the job well organized?

I should be sim screened on Nov.02 and wondering if I am taking the right decision as I would very much like a new experience on long haul and this is apparently the only place where they give you type rating on long haul aircrafts for dec.;)

Thanks for any infos you will provide

"will they update salary regarding usd recent devaluation?"

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Sorry, I was looking for the smilie that says "I am rolling on the floor, holding my sides so they do not burst from the mirth you have created within me" - but there ain't one!

You really have no idea about how these guys think (or not), do you??

Here's an oxymoron for you - japan, logical thinking.

After all that - although I have no defititive answer I would be most surprised if the thought would ever cross their minds; I would be totally amazed if they ever actually DID something similar.

The really strange part - if they were to clean up their contracts along these lines, but as importantly make the communting easier and more beneficial for all involved they would be able to consider applications from hundreds, not dozens.

I would have thought that beneficial to the corperation - but WTF**K do I know - I am, after all, a gaijin. :( :E

Sorry about the stolen thread but your question has been answered - with a bit more thrown in which has to be a bonus! :ok:

The question is not if the Japanese would adjust your contract based on international monetary fluctuations. The question is who would do that anywhere in the world?:confused:

Do a search in this forum, there is plenty of information on this contract.

Emirates provides a salary protection sceme....... So there is at least one company..

BC

Ajv/ajx
 

Word right now is you may interview for both companies but AJV is fat on crews. Looking for Capts. and FO's for the AJX side of things.

What is the difference between the two? Basing or hours?

I filled out the application some months ago, they offered the interview, and I turned it down at the time for family reasons but have reconsidered and reapplied last week.

When I reapplied, they sent me a new sheet that had me state my preference and what I would do if not selected for those positions. I marked 1st choice AJV (passenger) CA, 2nd choice AJX (cargo) CA, and none of the F/O slots, saying I would continue applying until a CA position became available.

They sent me an email today offering an AJX CA interview slot. I inquired about the AJV side (passenger) and they didn't respond. A large part of the interest was flying in a passenger environment so I don't know how to be more firm about that without being abrasive or what they might term "disrespectful" of the opportunity.

They also mentioned the medical would be held IN ADVANCE of the interview and could be done in L.A. or New York (London and Paris as well).

Also said the interview would be held in South Korea? That one was news on me as well, as was their requirement for me to obtain and pay for air travel to/from the medical and interview and I would be reimbursed, although they were not specific on the reimbursement schedule.

Does anyone have any RECENT experience they can share? Most of the threads on here are at least half a year old or older. Rostering, whether you fly mostly with American / expat crews or mix with Japanese nationals, schedules, hotels, overnights location and duration, etc would be very helpful.

Thanks in advance!

Ajv/ajx
 

Pm me and I'll give the rundown. By the way AJV (JP Express)is the CARGO side and AJX (Air Japan) is the pax side. Also, unless you are previously typed in a Boeing aircraft dont expect a CA slot being offered, even if you pass the sim ride with ease. There are only 2 previous RJ CA that were offered a CA position. They will tell you that you are interviewing for a CA position and after you are successful they will offer you a FO position and say that you dont have enought "heavy" time or Pacific crossings to be "cut loose". Still a good company and a decent contract, just be aware that all is not what it seems......good luck.

Thanks for the correction - I thought the X was the cargo side. :}

I wouldn't accept anything but a command position since I have previous Boeing command experience. If they offered the F/O slot, I'd politely defer and come home.

I'll PM you for the details, thanks!

So the only difference is that one is cargo? The pay differs by quite a bit so I thought there would be more too it. Would the time to command be the same?

There are some differences of course. The pay is better at AJV (cargo) due to the route structure, odd hours and LOTS of dead heads. But overall the cargo side is not too bad really, there is a lot of sitting around doing nothing and guys are flying about 25 to 45 hour months right now, but it is supposed to increase in the next few months as the operation gets ramped up.
On the pax side,(AJX) we are doing four destinations right now. Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Honolulu and Dalian. Singapore starting in November

In both contracts they specify that you will complete your contract on the position offered and then you may be offered a command position for your second contract. In some cases, folks that where in AJX transferred to AJV with an upgrade shy of completing their contract with AJX but, there is no guarantee that this will be offered.
The cargo expansion seems to be tied to Boeing's capacity to produce cargo 767s because they are also receiving pax 767s and orders for the 787 is overwhelming their production capacity right now. This is besides the cargo conversion of the 744s that are being ordered like hot cakes.

The contract is good but with one major problem, the commute.

Having my time over again I would of thought longer before accepting a contract which expects its crew to pax Sub Load in Y class. It doesnt sound difficult until you are sardined in economy every 18 days for 15 hours, its a horrible experience.

Guys have had trouble before due to airlines canceling flights and had their pay reduced compensate for not being back on time.

There are more and more Asian contracts that address this problem so look around before signing the dotted line.

Just my thoughts :suspect:

If I was wanting to live in Japan and not commute (I have residency) which would be better, AJX or AJV?

When AJX/AJV hires Captains off the street do they give consideration for the FOs that are next in line for upgrade. I realize the contract work for the Japanese doesn't have seniority in the equation but do the Japanese at least give a by-your-leave when not upgrading an FO?

Thanks

Issues unresolved?
 

Any word on how the meeting came out for the commuting,Zed or Y vs B class assigned seats? Opt in or out clause? and the biggee pay adjustment for the devaluation of the $$USD?

Spies at the meeting advise of some good news to come about the commuting deal. Best to wait for the official news, then there can be no misunderstanding.:D
No response from the company about the US$ situation.:ugh:
The co-pilot upgrade programme is expected to continue from April '08, figure of 6 per year was mentioned.
:D
It would appear that things may be happening but the feeling around is that this is only the beginning. More is required to get it back to where it once was. We live in hope!!:E

Ishi, you make me a very happy person... :)

Fingers crossed!

Maybe they can next address the JCAB and screaming/grabby instructors. Several pilots in the training pipeline are looking for other employment. Since I started training there have been 8 people either quit or be fired, this is in only 2.5 months. Not good numbers at all and admittedly not all from AJX/V, 2 that started when I did for other ANA airlines.
Should have listened to ishi59 while I was still looking...

Ummm... care to elaborate?

Sounds like something that would be good to know BEFORE I jump into the deep end. :eek:

Sounds like people are not flexible enough to adjust to a new, different environment/culture. I think it's only in the States where if you screw up, the instructors pat you on the back and say, "that's okay, you can do better next time..."

So my question is, why are so many people failing out? I was told the interview weeds out all the applicants who weren't either proficient in their flying skills or people who the interviewers thought did not have the flexibility to readjust to a new cultural environment. What do you mean they grab and yell at you? Are you sure? I know they hit you with a stick then yell at you in that part of the world....:eek:

For the guys over there currently, is it worth it over there, with only 10 days off, on the other side of the world - given the current job markets out there in the States or elsewhere?

Anyways, good luck out there.