Those cadets that don't have slots to fly when they are back can always try to join cabin crew temporary like in the 90s..lotsa phone nos and dates;) looks like MAS planners never fail to screw up cadets all the time..cheer up..

hmm.. well... back in 94, how long did those CADETS served as CAbin crew before becoming FO?

i heard there's a guy ends up being a cabin crew until now. A fren just confirms it, she knows that guy..

I found my post earlier confusing, the guy ends up being a cabin crew because after a year plus working as cabin crew and gets quite substantial amount of money, he didn't quite motivated to start all over again, meaning getting cadets pay and study hard all over again to get operational. heard he fails a few attempt and got fed-up.

I never thought it's going to be really hard, is it really that hard...anyone?

jebat,i think the thing that decides whether you will pass or not is the 'X-factor',the passion for aircrafts and the right 'stuff'. :ok:

I agree! its all in the attitude..its how bad you wants the job:) flying wise even a monkey can fly if trained..I have seen guys who are almost retired fail type conversion coz they think they are gods gift to aviation:p No pain no gain bro!

A slip-up lead to a front page of an advertising section of the most widely read English newspaper in Malaysia? Sounds like a practical joke to me. And who is going to pay for it? :rolleyes:

In my opinion, like it or not, AirAsia should be an option for senior FOs in MH. Money is less for now but jet hours as command could get them to other places. For those patriotic about MAS being a national airline, AirAsia has been accorded that status as well so why not help raise standards in AirAsia on to be par? I am not saying standards are low but I would love to see AirAsia being one of the best managed LCCs in the world being piloted by the best pilots in the world.

Yea I know that would be hard because most 'best pilots' are in it for the money.

Just Fly
 

It doesn't matter where you start, it's where you end up that's important.
For guys who just finish flying school, just grab any job that would give you a head start. Then when you have experience you are marketable.
The airline industry is a cycle, sometime your start is not what you plan but take what is on the table and do your best.
In a few years time things might get better and you would be ready to take advantage of the situation.
MAS or AIRASIA both can be your launching path for the future.
Just remember that as pilots you must have an alternate.:ok:

Not only that,another big problem is too many expats,outsiders out of nowhere suddenly bypassing the seniors,straight into LHS 737 command.

Errrr....you don't wanna do that.Check this out(correct me if I'm wrong)among other things in Air Asia;

1.Starting basic pay for Captain -only RM12K.
2.Productivity pay-RM75 per hour,you'll fly 80-90 hrs a month.Tax free?not sure.
3.Guaranteed hours 40-50 hours monthly?
4.5 days on,2 days off.Max 4 sectors a day,can last up to 8 hrs flying time.
15-25 minutes transit,manual loadsheet.
5.FTL using CAP371 ,dispensation from DCA to fly 1000 hrs.What happens if you are not willing to work extra hours?
6.BYO meal to work.The only free thing is a small bottle of mineral water.
7.No transport provided,neither transport allowance.
8.Medical-RM600 a year.Anything more than that you're on your own.
9.Group insurance for family,you pay.
10.Loss of licence and insurance,Air Asia is the beneficiary,not your family.
11.5 year bond.
12.Travel privilege?7 free tickets a year.That's about it.
13.A lot politics,back-stabbing,management spies among working colleagues.

And all these just to get Command?
Your call!

-Of course there's politics everywhere but at least at the place I am right now,politics is only at the management level.As long as you carry out your duty,nobody bothers about you.

How about also for a 'peace of mind'?

Originally Posted by flightleader
94 is happening no matter you like it or not. 300+ cadet in a year is the direct result of poor/no planning by flight ops.
It depends if the management want to retain the top earner,ie: retirees,expats. If they get rid of these people,there will be some vacuum higher up to suck the cadet into the system. However, not all 300 can be accommodated.
They can put some into widebody as cruise pilot and bring tremendous benefit to the WB crew shortage problem and move people across the entire promotion path.However,it is not its norm to do logical things.If this happens,cadet may get to sit(sit only,not fly,ok,ok fly the sim once every 90 days)the WB sooner than you thought.If they extend the retirees to 65, cadet can be a petrol pump boy for a long time.

Hi guys!
Im quite new in this forum.Please dont mind.I heard about the cruise pilot.Is it going to be realised or are those cadet pilot will be put into hold.I,m a bit worry since im going to complete my training very soon.::(

Thanks.

Kimi,

If cadets are going to work on the office,are you going to give up now? If they put you onto the jumbo as cruise s/o,would you be laughing now?

Don't worry about changes too far ahead of you,just complete your training and see from there.

Cheers

FL

Hey flightleader, how about dim sum next week?
Give me a call when you're in town.

Hi FL,
Thanks for the advice.Well i'll be gratefull if just been thrown straight to WB for a cruise pilot.But if work in the office then too badlah.Anyway it's beyond my control and i'll just pray for the good.Just want to know how does cruise pilot do their job?How r they going to log their hours.Is it P1 u/s or just sit for nothing up there.How long it will take to be s/o or f/o?will it affect my future prospect?Just curios..:)


Tq,

KIMI.

CAT IIIB,

I did say it should be an option, and when the hours are accumulated, experienced on LHS obtained, one can leave for other places. Those terms aren't that bad I would say.

And for some people, being close to the wife and kids IS piece of mind.

Greetings gentlemen. Well, in regards to MAS cadets being assigned to office work or even cabin work, I guess it comes as of no surprise. With the current restructuring taking place and Idris Jala picking up after the major mismanagement, I suppose this is exactly what we cadets-in-training can expect the moment we graduate. As aforementioned by FlightLeader, just concentrate in completing our training and hope that things will work out for the better. If not, then we'll have to just make do with what we're given and to deliver all within our abilities to help the company develop and progress further. I'd prefer not ranting, and regardless of how inefficient MAS was, I'd say that's all in the past. Pick the pieces up, move forward with our given role and carry our duties out proper and as efficiently as possible. That'll help secure our position as front-line people in the near future. Just my two cents. Regards gentlemen.

Topochi,

Thats the spirit!!I think you are on the right path.If there are no flying jobs for you guys in MH when you are back with your licences, dont worry cos there will be many options available.
MH IS inefficient not WAS but i do hope Idris and his team can make a change to this culture.With the inefficient managers STILL in place, i do not see how this could happen in the near future.There is big cleaning up to do and it not even begun.
At the end of it, in the history of MH of the recent years, it has been playing like a broken record....what idris can fix today will be undone in later years.........hope its different this time around

Many of us share the same hope. But it's going to be a long uphill battle for Idris with that bunch of incompetents "helping" him. He can make broad policy changes but the changes will be have to filter through his managers who will either do nothing or modify the changes to suit their personal agendas.

It may be a different circus but it's the same bunch of clowns.

A word about MAS
 

:confused: A friend of mine who is working for MAS told me this story: A guy applied to MAS recently together with 9 other guys and they were interviewed, checked out on sim, did all the medicals and exams. It seems that all 6 were selected. All these happened in the midst of the retrenchment!

My question is why recruit when MAS is retrenching?

In the midst of all these, 2 of the selected guys are malaysians and apparantly they have already started training on F50s! It seems that these 2 guys' dads are captains in MAS!

The rest of the guys are apparantly expats who are fresh pilots just out of MFA for the twin otters FO position. They were also told that they were selected although not in B&W. However, they are not hired yet. The reason from MAS "we are retrenching..... so we don't know abt your situation"!

My question is.... if they are retrenching, why did they do all the selection processes? Then how come MAS hired the locals if they are retrenching?

Another joke is, some of these foreigners were called when they were in their home countries. They had to buy their flight tickets and pay for hotel stay, food, etc here! It has been about 2 and a half months already and they have not got a reply! Poor these fellows....!:ooh: