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what is it to you?
do you have any + to say about CAL? no? then..shuuuuush! sorry guys...lets get back on track here... |
Do CAL provide meals during layovers/or allowances?
What about transport? |
I'm happy that I left CAL:)
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Bustie,
What the heck is your problem? I'm trying to help this guy if I know what he's looking for. I'm sure he's not just looking for happy pilots from CAL. I do have a lot to say about CAL and EVA, + and -. You're the one that's not contributing here, so shusssss. |
I have heard horrow stories about CAL....Cockpit environment etc etc.....but we are all proffessionals and would like to think otherwise. How is it working there on a daily basis....everyday work.
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the problem started when you mentioned......the word justify.
over to you... |
I can't wait to leave CAL ...its not the end of the world but you can see it from here!!!
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Just submitted my app last night via e-mail, within a few hours I received the message " we are impressed with your qualifications, however, you are not on our priority list. We will contact you if a position becomes available. Thank you for your understanding." Has anyone gotten this e-mail, and later called for an interview, or is it over?? (46 yrs old, ATP, 5050 ttl, 3870 PIC, 1200 airline turboprop SIC, lots of Alaska piston PIC).
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more of the same
ok, so what is it about CAL that you all hate so much???
how bout specific problems and how long did it take you to figure it out and how much jet time did you get before you decided to get out of there? couldn't you say you got some jet time and that enabled you to be available to other more appealing(to you) companies? |
For me its mostly cultural issues that in themselves are a pain but you could put up with them...the prob is they become safety issues and I don't like flying in unsafe situations.....do a web search for "CAL+accidents" and you'll see the history. Everyone has a different risk tolarence yours may be higher than mine and the CAL world won't bother you but as for me the risks are to high time to get out.....There is an old saying...."I hold a bucket in each hand one is getting filled with cash the other Bulls--t...when ever one or the other fills up I will leave" Well the bulls--t bucket has filled up much faster than the cash bucket and it's time to leave!!!
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China Airlines just got a new chairman, so they may be reorganizing right now.
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The problems have been well expressed previously.
Join as a Capt on the wide body. Thats as far as you can go, so therefore its just can you put up with the CAL system. The pay is reasonable. There are some good aspects to their system. I found TPE not that bad a place to live, but I don't believe its a 5 year propersition. Look around as see the long termers. They are generally quite dark about things. That may be the city, the Co, the commute, the culture. Doesn't matter the reason, the result is the same. Time to leave. If you join as an FO, then thats great as long as you understand that is as far as you will go. You fly along side some who are very marginal in standard (that includes expats). Most FOs want a career, an opportunity at progression. That is not available to you. CAL are now publically acknowledging that. Previously it was observation. Its not the pay that is attactive. AS for how long that take to see. Thats up to you. Look critically at whether CAL is still offering what you want out of life and career. Don't just hope it will get better. It will not get better. CAL doesn't want it to get better. |
Do expat F/O's usually get placed on flights with a national captain, or is it random?
What's the likelyhood of F/O's and expat captains being on the deck? Anyone know the total number of expat captains? Lastly, any info/thoughts on CAL maintenance would be appreciated.:ok: |
Swampy,
I am an expat Capt. To answer your questions: 1) In 2 years i have only ever flown with another expat F/O 4 times; 2) Number of expat Capt's on 744 fleet is 90+ (no idea about other fleets). Number of local Capts on 744 is 130-150; 3) The books are usually clean. My previous company, one also much spoken of here in this PPRUNE forum, measured up very poorly in this area, where they used to carry lots of stuff in the DDL. This was indeed a breath of fresh air. I agree that you come with your eyes wide open, take the money & the home leave and that's it. If you must come, make your decision based on what's on the table right this moment, not what seems to be implied will happen. If you can live with that, you'll probably do alright. Good luck |
It's easy for you guys to say "join as a Captain", we would if we could, the problem is some of us don't have the experience that their looking for. We have to start somewhere, get the experience from CAL and get out, that's my plan anyway.
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Would someone in CAL please advise if they are currently hiring captains. Have 12,000 + with extensive A340 and A330 PIC time.
Thanks for any info you can give Cheers A340Jock |
Agree the maintenance was very good. This part of their efforts to make the airline safer. Reduce the number of risks the crews need to deal with.
The locals love the A330, short haul flying. A lot of locals have medical problems that are managed more easily without the stressors of long haul. A rapidly expanding fleet. You never know. The A340 is not expanding, so may be difficult to get on. Known as the holiday fleet, because of their network. If you have nothing else, then apply. If successful, be very prepared for a difficult 6 months transition into the company. After that the job settles down. |
If you are not rated and current on transport cat. Jet than you have to put 20,000 USD down and there is no way around it.
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Anyone able to tell how long they waited from the Pre-interview phonecall till being offered a interview in Taipei?
How long did the phone interview last? |
Hey All you CAL wanabes.
Wake up to yourselves...get a job driving a taxi in Baghdad. It is safer |
Hey Chev29
I am not sure if I get the Gist of your last post to 340jock. Can you please be clearer |
BusTie said
If you are not rated and current on transport cat. Jet than you have to put 20,000 USD down and there is no way around it. Did you know places like CX KA NCA etc. actually pay you to get a rating with no bond because they know you won't buggar off the day after youre typed? Or maybe youre so infatuated with CAL, that youre not interested in working for a real mob....yeah, thats it, thats the ticket....it wouldnt be for a lack of anything else...maybe? hmmmmm. 29 |
29 chevy.....
for a guy that has a "29chevy" for his name you sure talk too much, and trying to evaluate jobs in Aviation. From your post is so clear that you are a typical north American with union written all over you. look up the word pro-phe-shinalizim (I wrote the way you would understand) for the rest of you guys that wanting a proper answer: Blue-Footed Boobie as long as you have some transport cat. jet type or time you DO NOT have put 20K. that simple. and no you do not need to have the same type as they fly. swamp monkey I had an e-mail from HR just a week after submitting my application on line, and within 4 weeks I was in TPE. They pay for you travel and hotel. (no meal) There is no point in joining CAL with the intention of jumping ship since a new type rating with CAL is not recognized with any ICAO couturies. but you can always take your experience and time on type and go to Emirates, Etihad,....etc. the pay; every Dec you get another month's salary. one overtime flight lets say TPE-LAX-TPE gives you about 28 hours block time which comes down to $1,500 USD. that you can add to your salary for that month. and as long as you are willing to fly more, all you have to do is let them know and you get it. the contract is for 4,660 (70 hours) divide that and you get about $67/hr now times that into (the 28 hours LA trip) you get $1864 less than 20% for tax leaves you $1,500 USD. These are the facts for those of you that willing to read other pilots "professional" comments and plan your life accordingly. Bustie |
Excuse me BusTie,did You mention this word;"professional" here in the CAL topic?
When a local captain considers that BKN 010 is measured from the sea level so it is a CAT III as the APT elevation is above 1200 feet?:\ Good news,the competitor airlines -EVA- also departs from the taxiway in Anchorage.Ehhh,I know the basic rule,upgrade locals first,no matter how incompetent they are! My last week experience.:yuk: |
Bustie
I am all to familiar with 29chev's situation....see I was also a guy who showed up with two buckets.....the one with the money in it never made it past half full....the one with the BS was overflowing by the time I got online. I have stated on here many times that I enjoyed flying with the guys n gals on the -400 at CAL. But the fact the most if not all of the crew there are either at CAL because they HAVE to be or because they are a local and are not applicable to be hired at a REAL airline. I make more money now training then ANY first officer at CAL and a few of the Captains. Doing the same job! When I am off my training pay I will make more than EVERY CAL local captain......I mention this only because so many of us put a price on this job. For me personally it is about enjoying my work, trusting my colleagues and time off! CAL offers you NONE of the above....! The last straw for me was sim 05-01 and I watched the IP crash the simulator 3 times............once on a simple V1 cut which should have been a reject and he continued....the other 2 crashes were on 2 engine inop on short final...I made my mind up that sim that it was over and immediately submitted my resignation as my life is far more important.....! 29Chev was my roommate in Taipei and I can tell you he gave CAL the benefit of almost every situation they put him in! I used to tease him that he would retire in Taipei because he generally was consummate professional and generally really seemed to enjoy the job! But it has been a year for him now and as I know he is leaving I shake my head as CAL just does not want to address the issues in their airline. The sooner CAL gets rid of ALL the expats the better...........because this industry has been through enough over the last 5 years and the days of WHORING ourselves to places like CAL have to stop. That way when hull's are being scrapped off runways around the world AGAIN then maybe someone will be serious about fixing the entity that is Taiwan Aviation Now to address your post: You wrote: "Blue-Footed Boobie as long as you have some transport cat. jet type or time you DO NOT have put 20K. that simple. and no you do not need to have the same type as they fly." That is a flat out lie as one of my university collegues was just offered the job subject to the 20K bond....he delined after I explained everything to him! "swamp monkey I had an e-mail from HR just a week after submitting my application on line, and within 4 weeks I was in TPE. They pay for you travel and hotel. (no meal) " If the email only took a week chances are you are one of the only persons desperate enough or inexperienced enough to consider it! Every job interview I have gone to paid me perdiums and ALL my costs...........nuff said! There is no point in joining CAL with the intention of jumping ship since a new type rating with CAL is not recognized with any ICAO couturies. This is bullsh*t!!! Go Get the rating and leave...take they type rating and your logbook goto your home country and they should with all of your records and XXX amount of hours on type will put it on your license. Canada the magic number is 75 hours I believe. "but you can always take your experience and time on type and go to Emirates, Etihad,....etc." yup you can and then you are in the two bucket scenerio again..............good luck! the pay; every Dec you get another month's salary. one overtime flight lets say TPE-LAX-TPE gives you about 28 hours block time which comes down to $1,500 USD. that you can add to your salary for that month. and as long as you are willing to fly more, all you have to do is let them know and you get it. the contract is for 4,660 (70 hours) divide that and you get about $67/hr now times that into (the 28 hours LA trip) you get $1864 less than 20% for tax leaves you $1,500 USD. These are the facts for those of you that willing to read other pilots "professional" comments and plan your life accordingly. You sure can.....in fact they will let you fly yourself right into a 300,000 NTD (can't remember the exact fine) and the pay for over time you calculated wrong......so I think you should reread the contrat and come up with the really pay............I was one of the higest paid FO's on the -400 and I was 78 an hour.........I know most were NO WHERE near your quote for overtime.......just as a side not I am at 145/hr now...........so you do the math..........! Bustie, I feel sorry for ya brutha as you really have NO idea of what a sad place CAL is..... I wish you all the luck and empower you to get out of CAL before the next hull loss! Rather than spending your time on here slinging mud, If I was you I would work on getting an ATPL in a country where you will be paid what you are worth.....not what you will whore yourself for........... PEACE |
Thanks pitotman :ok:
Bustie you said you are a typical north American with union written all over you. My point? CAL is one of the worst places I have ever worked....but it could be great, nothing stops it from being as good an operation as CX....except the attitude and culture, but they have zero interest in changing and fixing those very large problems....so in the interest of giving advice to those who wish to listen I tell it like it is.... On another point I notice an earlier post of mine was removed, as it was placed there after a few too many pints I feel I need to say to A340Jock.... my words were a bit harsh and if you are indeed a high time 330/340 Capt I give you the benefit of the doubt that you have little or no knowledge of CAL and are asking about a position there in all sincerity ...but if you have the experience level you claim to have you can easily get a job elsewhere at a much better company so don't waste your time. 29 |
To A340Jock
Seeing the number of hours I am flying, I don't think they need any 340 skipper. So what is CAL scheduling is you don't need expat crew flying? After Home leave put one reserve duty in TPE followed by two days off, then another reserve duty followed by another two days off !! So please leave your family, do come in TPE to do nothing for SIX days! No, you understand we are absolubtly unable to give you more days off at home...... I confess, it is exceptionnal, it is only the third month in a row, they try to do it. :E I agree with 29chev, what probably p**ed off the expat the most, is that CAL has everything in hands to be one of the greatest airline in the world, they just don't want it!! So for the umth time, - Go only to CAL as captain wide-body and if you really need the job, period. I don't want to work in the Middle-east so I am still here but I'll be out VERY soon. |
You know, if they gave us more days home leave instead of RD's we wouldnt have time to write this stuff.
Hey hang on, why am I even writing this, I should be applying for another job. Bye...... |
If they change their system and cancel the "double standard",80% of the locals could go for another job.
Anyhow,do You have any info if CAL revise the Marketing and Housing Allowance in December? Or shall I start the next year in Beijing?:E |
I heard a rumour about a "revision", but I get so many of the damn things in my dropfile that I ignored it. So how much are they increasing it by then?
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Hey Pitotman, this is a bit off topic... did you do a Penang trip on your last flight in CAL?
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Hey hang on, why am I even writing this, I should be applying for another job. Or shall I start the next year in Beijing? Now, if you are looking for the day off, a nice management, professionnal IP,etc .... you're better stay in Taipei :} :} :} |
If the so called "professionalism"-copyright by Bus Tie- is like here for 7000 USD/month(tax free)+housing+8 consecutive days OFF +4 days OFF in PEK why not????:}
Survive 2 or 3 years and go back to an real airline,even it is a low-cost in my Home country. Not to mention the cost of life in PEK which must be lower than Taiwan-housing,beer,girls? The ball is at the management of CAL and I guess,I not going to be the only one.Of course I know,market forces and things like this,they will fill up the empty seats with pilots from Indonesia,Philippines for USD 3000 somehundred. Same story everywhere. By the way,how many Swiss furloughed guys signed so far?Or how many will?Its better for them if they go to fly a low-cost in Europe for this money or higher! Still waiting for the notice "Marketing Allowance and Housing Allowance will be reviewed and adjusted by the Company in December of each calendar year"!:\ .....or not waiting........... |
Deske1
Still waiting for the notice "Marketing Allowance and Housing Allowance will be reviewed and adjusted by the Company in December of each calendar year"! 29 Expat Christmas party at Shannon's on the 8th all welcome |
Shannon's
29,
dude, did u have 2 have it on the 8th? :cool: made a mistake when carrot-top, you and i went out last tues., we'll all be in town this monday, let's hook-up then, bring ur roomies. ;) 500. |
FIRST OFFICER:
1. At least 1,500 total flight hours 2. Hold valid ATPL 3. Age under 45 4. With Current Type Rating is a plus 5. Jet experience is preferable 6. Practical flight hours must be within 12 months NOTE: Have they been hiring FO'swith these kinds of hours? |
500 Short
Not really my party just spreading the word for someone else... call ya Monday 29 |
Gengis
gengis,
You wrote "Hey Pitotman, this is a bit off topic... did you do a Penang trip on your last flight in CAL?" My answer: CORRECT! Thanks again for the last sector bro......made my trip! If every pairing could have been like that I may have stayed at CAL......but then again only for another 4K usd amonth more that I am making now! Atleast now I know where I am in the upgrade process......! HAHA Anyword on your immigration? Let me know if you need anything! I am off now for 4 months while I wait for my training course and just hanging around the loveliest city in da world....call me if ya get an overnight and I will come out for dinner to the old ditchmond hilton...... pitotman |
CAL Interview
Recently completed an interview for an FO position with CAL in Nov.
Found the process to be straight forward with no surprises, everything was well explained and the people were friendly and helpful. Tech quiz- multi choice Interview- 4 friendly Captains who conduct a "casual" chat Sim- as described in the brief supplied when invited for interview Med- full on over 2 days My advice to those interested, if you're keen give it your best shot. Looking forward to receiving advice on the success of my interview! Cheers.:O |
Hey Pitotman, glad to hear all's well. Check your pm.
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