Jobs with Malaysia Airlines
 

I was wondering what the possibility of getting a job with Malaysia Airlines on a permanent (i.e not contract) basis would be?

I have just over 2000 hrs TT with 90% of that on the Boeing 737-3/4/5 and currently work as a First Officer for a major European Flag Carrier. I would also be more than happy to learn Bahasa.

Although being European I am a Muslim and would love to bring up my family in a Muslim, but multicultural country and Malaysia is where I would love to be. I shy away from the Gulf with all its glitz and love of money. Also, it is rather dry and I love the tropics.

I know Malaysia has its issues, so please no negative comments and if one could avoid any anti-European posts that would also be much appreciated. We have many non-Europeans working for my airline (Iranians, Iraqis, Nigerians, Indians, Pakistanis etc). I think a little more understanding would solve many problems; but please don't call me naive.

Thank you in advance for your kind advice,

BD

Dear Bluedog,
As far as I know,all the expats in MAS so far are on a contract basis(5 years).They have Iraqis and Indonesians which Indonesians make up the largest number of expats.All these expats have been in MAS for over a decade.
The Permanent terms are usually given to the locals.

Yes,MAS has its issues-below market rate wages,almost zero perks,etc (I'm sure your deal is better back home) but Malaysia is a great country to live in and to bring up your family,as in your case(but not for Mr Longlatif-he's in the process of giving up his citizenship).

At present, MAS is short of pilots.Why not give it a shot?

BlueDog, I heard from a friend who's working in his 2nd term with the cargo with MAS as long as you give the company good performance in your job MAS will always extend the contract, you will never given permanent emplyoment until you change your citizenship :confused: and try Air Asia :ok:

Why the hell would you come to Malaysia? People are leaving MAS in record numbers, the company is in trouble and Malaysia is a third world country...

I am guessing you're earning much better money in Europe. Cut in half what you earn now then cut it in half again and that is how much you are on in Malaysia.

Yes it is cheaper to live here but you dont have the creature comforts of a developed nation. Basic things like medical, emergency services that actually work, schooling etc....and don't get me started on MAS management! I don't have the next 23 hours to write my thoughts down on paper!

MAS stinks! Read some of the posts here. The only reason they are still flying is because the government keeps forking out money to save our "national" carrier.

Think carefully...being muslim is not going to help!!!

virgin post
 

hi all! i've been a pprune lurker for a number of years, never had the urge to register until now.

as this is my first post, i hope to start on the right footing.

1st - to BlueDog: Selamat Datang. Come & see for yourself if my country & its airlines are to your liking.

2nd - to Cat IIIB: Have to agree with you, we've got our ups & downs, but i guess that goes the same for most people everywhere.

finally - to longlatif: Hope your disenchantment with everything Malaysian isn't permament. I've been home & I've been away, & as the saying goes, "be it ever so humble..."

enough for a first rant...

Longlatif,

Everytime I read your post in here. It's never good thing that you have. Your negative remarks just shows that you are just one misreble guy. Are you a pilot? Guys, if you have him in front, don't take the flight. He is so unhappy in life, can't say about his mental condition while he's at the control.

Ditto about that latif guy.

Sourest of the sour grapes.
I really put all my pity for such an unhappy and frustrated bloke.

Dear Longlatif,
When are you surrendering your passport?

I stopped any input into this forum nearly a year ago and just kept reading the same blah blah.
Longlatif might be all the things you assume he is, but he has some valid points; unfortunately Malaysians do not take kindly to any constructive criticism
Longlatif had enough and doing the right thing by going elsewhere
Didn't I read in the local rag a few days ago that if MAS appoint a foreigner to revive its failing airline, it would equate to going back to being colonised :confused: or a certain political party stating that the Malay culture must be protected at all cost.
Common people get a grip and accept life as a reality not a masquerade that it is. Apart from that, Malaysia is a great place to live in.
Ok you can line up and shoot me down now, 've taken cover:}

Thanks for all the positive and negative comments.

Mr Longlatif, thank you, points noted, but in response; cost of living & property about 4 times cheaper so ratio of cost of living to salary probably roughly equal.

Schooling probably also very good in KL; I studied engineering at University and in my year there were many very bright, hard-working Malaysians (of all races). Please do not be so negative about your country - nowhere is perfect.

Thank you everybody else as well. The encouragement is much appreciated. I shall look at all the options.

Any one else have any more input/advice on this subject?

Thanks,

BD

are u all trying to say that local with 200 hours without type have much better chacne of gaining employment than a foreigner with 2000 hours 90% on 737?

"fhchiang -are u all trying to say that local with 200 hours without type have much better chacne of gaining employment than a foreigner with 2000 hours 90% on 737?"
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Yes,maybe.Because 2000 hours on 737 is not a big deal.The 200 hr local guy will pretty soon catch up if given the job.

But if you have thousands and thousands of hours (including flying kites + gliders )and without type,MAS will be more than happy to give you command and free type rating on the 737-300/400/500.You guys have the priority over the long serving wide body FOs.

Give it a shot,who knows?

"I know Malaysia has its issues, so please no negative comments" -----You don't want any negative comments? Only positive ones? So in short, you only want good news to convince yourself and give yourself a warm and fuzzy feeling, justifying your move to Malaysia probably because you are Muslim and feeling the heat there in EU?

"Mr Longlatif, thank you, points noted, but in response; cost of living & property about 4 times cheaper so ratio of cost of living to salary probably roughly equal." ----Boy, you so do not know the real cost of living in Malaysia. Your assumptions are so wrong.

"Schooling probably also very good in KL; I studied engineering at University and in my year there were many very bright, hard-working Malaysians (of all races). Please do not be so negative about your country - nowhere is perfect"-----Wrong on that assumption too

" I think a little more understanding would solve many problems; but please don't call me naive."---YOU ARE SOOOO.... NAIVE!!!, WAS THAT YOUR PROJECTION OF BEING NAIVE, NAIVE?


If you really want to hear what you want to hear, then go to a quiet place and talk to yourself...no negatives of course.

Your accumulated 2000hrs must have taught you never to assume things but to know the facts for sure, both positives and negatives. Assumptions are the mother of all fark kap.

My 2 sen worth of advice: Dont Do It!!! You gotta be crazy or have your head screwed too tight to be permanent in Malaysia.

Its a great country to visit though,, wonderful food, but almost no culture. The locals (Malays) have almost lost all their culture through colonization, but some assert themselves through politics in a passive-agressive nature.

You will no doubt hear what you want to hear, so good luck!!!

Hi,

Just curious here.......If I were to be a fresh graduate from flying school with CPL and frozen ATPL,will it hand me a job in Transmile Air?Thanks.

Ghostrider777
 

Most definitely......You sure can expect a hand a job to you by it.:8

i emailed transmile regarding jobs for low-hours pilot with T/R without hours on type..

since they need MD-11 crews now..


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Dear Fong Hoe,

Yours is the first enquiry of having the type rating but no actual hours. Why not you fill up our Employment Application Form so that we can assess better?

Pls find attached the form. You mentioned that you have only Frozen ATPL. What are the subjects taken. We need to take a look at your scan copy of license.

Thank you.


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From: Fong Hoe [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:29 PM
To: Crystal Luah Beng Gim
Subject: Enquiry on Pilot Position



hello,



I understand that the minimum allowed experience for a F/O is 1500 hours jet time.



But isa 200 hours, pilot with a MD11 T/R without hours on type eligible to apply?



thank you.



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Obviously this Crystal Luah doesn't know what she's talking about.Don't waste time with her.Fill up the application form and make an appointment to see the Chief Pilot.

Oh dear... Mr Angry from Keluang; this is exactly the sort of ill-informed angry tirade I was trying to avoid. Your assumptions could not be further from the truth, I made it quite clear that I was already aware of the issues - many and varied that they are. What I was trying to establish were answers to my questions, not rantings about issues I was already aware of.

Shall we stay on topic?

Angry tirade, hardly, which part? Some of it is a quote from a movie, albeit harsh, nevertheless true. If you're that sensitive, I'll be gentle.

In your potrayal of being humble, you do have an air of arrogance about you. You seems to be "aware" of ALL the issues here in Malaysia, but unaccepting of the fact that your assumptions are not all correct.

If that were so, then you wouldnt have asked the question is the first place. You would have known that a "foreigner" can never be permanent in Malaysia. You would also have been aware of the Visa requirements from the Immigration Department being "Suami Warganegara: presumably.

Also you did ask for input/advice and some encouragement. Those were my input/advice but at the same I discourage you after having lived and worked in the UK (6yrs) and US (5yrs) and Australia (3yrs) and comparing my experiences with that growing up and living in Malaysia.

I have lots more to say, in trying to open up your eyes so to speak but suffice for now. As the saying goes "one can only guide the lembu to water..." You are obviously not receptive to negative comments because you have your mind made up and are looking for affirmation in support of your decision.

Good Luck and I'd like to say "I told you so" now just in case.

BTW: I was on the topic.....its very broad isnt it? Or we can stay on the straight and narrow.