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hi all,
i need some info on the current mas hiring situation.anything at all would be welcome,but i need specific info on any crew surpluses/shortage,direct recruitment into the f/o position,seniority and command prospects.i am currently b744 type rated with an icao atpl and about 5000 hrs.i also hail from the little red dot down south,so any info regarding hiring of non-malaysians would be appreciated.thank you.
i need some info on the current mas hiring situation.anything at all would be welcome,but i need specific info on any crew surpluses/shortage,direct recruitment into the f/o position,seniority and command prospects.i am currently b744 type rated with an icao atpl and about 5000 hrs.i also hail from the little red dot down south,so any info regarding hiring of non-malaysians would be appreciated.thank you.
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few years ago, we had a few guys who 'move up north'. they were also b744 type-rated and MH hired them direct on the b744 right-seat. all of them got command within 2 years and now they are all commanders on A330 except for one.
the only difference i can see in your case is you are non-citizen. i really don't know what policy MH has cos honestly this has never happen before? I am assuming you are singaporean. MH does not have a 'local-term' non-malaysian before so this is something new.
currently, MH has a serious shortage of F/Os. this is due to the fact that management decided to stop completely our cadet program for a good 3-4 years in the mid-90s. as a result, we are now having excess captains. in fact, there has been almost no movement (to command position) over the last 3 years.
if you join now, you will probably be in the 1200+ seniority and there are about another good 300+ guys with criteria and ready for command so your prospect of getting command in the near future would not be too good. moreover i dont see much expansion in the near future.
after weighing all the facts, if you still think of joining, i dont see any harm in writing in to the company. precedence has already been set, so i dont see any prob hiring you direct into the b744 RHS.
good luck.
SR
ps: are things really that bad down there? my sincere sympathies. hope we never have to be face with similar situation.
few years ago, we had a few guys who 'move up north'. they were also b744 type-rated and MH hired them direct on the b744 right-seat. all of them got command within 2 years and now they are all commanders on A330 except for one.
the only difference i can see in your case is you are non-citizen. i really don't know what policy MH has cos honestly this has never happen before? I am assuming you are singaporean. MH does not have a 'local-term' non-malaysian before so this is something new.
currently, MH has a serious shortage of F/Os. this is due to the fact that management decided to stop completely our cadet program for a good 3-4 years in the mid-90s. as a result, we are now having excess captains. in fact, there has been almost no movement (to command position) over the last 3 years.
if you join now, you will probably be in the 1200+ seniority and there are about another good 300+ guys with criteria and ready for command so your prospect of getting command in the near future would not be too good. moreover i dont see much expansion in the near future.
after weighing all the facts, if you still think of joining, i dont see any harm in writing in to the company. precedence has already been set, so i dont see any prob hiring you direct into the b744 RHS.
good luck.
SR
ps: are things really that bad down there? my sincere sympathies. hope we never have to be face with similar situation.
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Super Ranger, stand corrected. There ARE non-citizens who are on local terms, but it is perhaps one of the many mistakes made by MAS managment showing the inconsistancies when changing leadership. The chance of it happening again with the current encumbants, and the new stars rising is highly unlikely. It is potentially a balachan blunder they will regret evenso.
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SuperRanger & Iso,
What is the deal with MH now ? How about the prospect of citizens returning ?
What about type rated captain ?
As for FOs, will he be assigned the same aircraft type that he is currently rated on ?
Is the 737 fleet size shrinking due to AirAsia ?
Thanks for the info on seniority and command prospect.
Heard that a lot of AirAsia FOs are applying for MH, true ?
Thank you.
What is the deal with MH now ? How about the prospect of citizens returning ?
What about type rated captain ?
As for FOs, will he be assigned the same aircraft type that he is currently rated on ?
Is the 737 fleet size shrinking due to AirAsia ?
Thanks for the info on seniority and command prospect.
Heard that a lot of AirAsia FOs are applying for MH, true ?
Thank you.
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Thanks a lot SuperRanger and Iso for the info.Yes,things are getting from bad to worse in SQ with the 5 foot General and his HR sidekick really making a mess of things.Quite a few guys ,ranging from 3 yr service to current management pilots are seriously considering other opportunities.The recent 'retrenchements' have got very little to do with cost cutting,and more with making a statement about who's boss. Anyway,appreciate the heads up given .
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i believe if MH were to take returning citizen chances will be to the fleet you are currently type-rated on. it make economic sense. moreover, like i said, precedence had been set.
the 737 fleet had shrunk some what in the late 90s but numbers had been maintained since (as far as i know)
send in your resume, you never know.
SR
i believe if MH were to take returning citizen chances will be to the fleet you are currently type-rated on. it make economic sense. moreover, like i said, precedence had been set.
the 737 fleet had shrunk some what in the late 90s but numbers had been maintained since (as far as i know)
send in your resume, you never know.
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I remember in the late 70's when I applied to join SIA they don't even bother to reply because I was a different color skin even though by then I had about 5500 hrs (of which 2500 hrs is pure command jet) and flown with a clean record. My other associates with less hours, no jet experience and not of a clean slate were taken in because they were the right skin color. In fact after getting the appointments in SIA these guys use to belittle MAS in particular and Malaysia in general. Now some of them want to come back sounding desperate and pathetic.…fat hope. Now Singaporean wants to join MAS, what to add further spying operation? Triple fat hope.
If you scrutinise SIA record from 1965 (when Singapore breaks off from Malaysia), not a single Malay pilots were taken in. That shows how racialist they are. Not discounting the fact that they also never took in any Malay Fighter Pilots into their armed forces, whereas in contrast Malaysia had 70% of its Fighter Pilots of Chinese origin by the early 70's.
So why should we take them non-loyal Malaysian and especially Singaporean during period when they are laughing at us on the 3 cents water issue?
If we need pilots then there are a lot from the Royal Malaysian Air Force who had done their parts for the country.
If you scrutinise SIA record from 1965 (when Singapore breaks off from Malaysia), not a single Malay pilots were taken in. That shows how racialist they are. Not discounting the fact that they also never took in any Malay Fighter Pilots into their armed forces, whereas in contrast Malaysia had 70% of its Fighter Pilots of Chinese origin by the early 70's.
So why should we take them non-loyal Malaysian and especially Singaporean during period when they are laughing at us on the 3 cents water issue?
If we need pilots then there are a lot from the Royal Malaysian Air Force who had done their parts for the country.
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Wondering why I should even bother. Looks like you just killed a genuine thread. Please do your homework before making any of your fictional declarations. Maybe this is precisely why you never got the job with SQ. For a fact, SQ has had Malay pilots since the MSA split and continues to recruit them including non-citizens (ie from Malaysia and Indonesia) as ab-initio and direct entry Captains. I know of at least a handful who have come from MAS in the last several years. I am not defending SQ but just want to set the record straight.
Wondering why I should even bother. Looks like you just killed a genuine thread. Please do your homework before making any of your fictional declarations. Maybe this is precisely why you never got the job with SQ. For a fact, SQ has had Malay pilots since the MSA split and continues to recruit them including non-citizens (ie from Malaysia and Indonesia) as ab-initio and direct entry Captains. I know of at least a handful who have come from MAS in the last several years. I am not defending SQ but just want to set the record straight.
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Jollyt scrutinize carefully what I had said.
Before 1965 off course some Malay were taken in but in very small ratio compared to the Chinese. Most of these Malay pilots (90%) left to join MAS in 1971 when it was formed. So of course like you said SIA had Malay pilots ( mostly Singaporean born) after the split but these were the balance taken before 1965.
But if you care to look at their date of entry data from 1965 onwards hardly any Malay pilots were taken in. You yourself used the word "has had" which means they are all gone now.
Yes SIA continue to recruit pilots from Malaysia after 1971 but 99% is of Chinese origin. In the last 8 years can you name one Malay pilot from MAS who had join SIA? Those who joined were mostly Chinese and Indians.
You are in fact not putting the record straight but twisting the truth of the matter to hide Singapore racist attitude towards Malays in Malaysia
#Note: Malay makes up 60% of the population in Malaysia.
There were 30% Malays in Singapore before 1965 but now only remain 15%.
Can you give me the numbers and percentage of Malaysian Malay pilots in SIA.
Will you or you dare not.
Before 1965 off course some Malay were taken in but in very small ratio compared to the Chinese. Most of these Malay pilots (90%) left to join MAS in 1971 when it was formed. So of course like you said SIA had Malay pilots ( mostly Singaporean born) after the split but these were the balance taken before 1965.
But if you care to look at their date of entry data from 1965 onwards hardly any Malay pilots were taken in. You yourself used the word "has had" which means they are all gone now.
Yes SIA continue to recruit pilots from Malaysia after 1971 but 99% is of Chinese origin. In the last 8 years can you name one Malay pilot from MAS who had join SIA? Those who joined were mostly Chinese and Indians.
You are in fact not putting the record straight but twisting the truth of the matter to hide Singapore racist attitude towards Malays in Malaysia
#Note: Malay makes up 60% of the population in Malaysia.
There were 30% Malays in Singapore before 1965 but now only remain 15%.
Can you give me the numbers and percentage of Malaysian Malay pilots in SIA.
Will you or you dare not.
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I do not want to get drawn into a race debate with you. I am just trying to correct some of the gross inaccuracies in you 23 Jul posting.
I quote you "If you scrutinise SIA record from 1965, NOT A SINGLE malay pilots were taken in."
That was what I was trying to correct so please read your posting and then mine carefully before shooting off. I stand by what I say that SQ has been and still is recruiting non-singaporean Malay pilots and I dare you show proof to challenge that. Since you are the accuser, the onus is on you to show me the numbers. I am prepared to name you a Malay MH captain who came over to SQ not too long ago but not in public on this forum. I will send it to you on your pm.
I do not want to get drawn into a race debate with you. I am just trying to correct some of the gross inaccuracies in you 23 Jul posting.
I quote you "If you scrutinise SIA record from 1965, NOT A SINGLE malay pilots were taken in."
That was what I was trying to correct so please read your posting and then mine carefully before shooting off. I stand by what I say that SQ has been and still is recruiting non-singaporean Malay pilots and I dare you show proof to challenge that. Since you are the accuser, the onus is on you to show me the numbers. I am prepared to name you a Malay MH captain who came over to SQ not too long ago but not in public on this forum. I will send it to you on your pm.
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From the tone of your posting I can feel that you are a Singaporean from SIA out to defend its honour.
SIA did not take in Malay pilots from Malaysia from 1965 right through the 70's and 80's because of their racist attitude. How many Malaysian or Singaporean Malays were taken in during the rapid expansion in the 90's ? Zilch ? Please do not count the Indonesian as they can be a Christian or a Hindu even though they are of the Malay stock. Futhermore the discussion is on Malaysian Malay pilots joining SIA. Not Malay from South Africa, Indonesia or elsewhere. Please do not twist your tongue on this issue.
Yes that "Malay" MH pilot of Turkish decent did join SIA in 98. But how long did he last there but only 1 year. Now he is back with MH since 1999.
Since the question was put to you first and you are the defendant (from SIA)you got to furnish to all of us here the numbers and percentage of Malaysian Malay pilots in SIA.
SIA did not take in Malay pilots from Malaysia from 1965 right through the 70's and 80's because of their racist attitude. How many Malaysian or Singaporean Malays were taken in during the rapid expansion in the 90's ? Zilch ? Please do not count the Indonesian as they can be a Christian or a Hindu even though they are of the Malay stock. Futhermore the discussion is on Malaysian Malay pilots joining SIA. Not Malay from South Africa, Indonesia or elsewhere. Please do not twist your tongue on this issue.
Yes that "Malay" MH pilot of Turkish decent did join SIA in 98. But how long did he last there but only 1 year. Now he is back with MH since 1999.
Since the question was put to you first and you are the defendant (from SIA)you got to furnish to all of us here the numbers and percentage of Malaysian Malay pilots in SIA.
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Usman,
Your facts are wrong as usual. I am not ashamed to say that I am a Malaysian working with SIA. I am not of Malay roots. I can easily count off more than a handful of Malay Malaysians recruited by SIA in recent years. Many I can count as my friends and very good professionals.
Please be very aware of your facts before posting them. It makes you look less of a fool. On another thread you enquired as to why the thread stopped after your posting. You want to know why??? Nobody wants to dignify your postings by replying to your posts anymore. You want to kill any threads, just post something, anything. That'll kill the thread for sure.
Your facts are wrong as usual. I am not ashamed to say that I am a Malaysian working with SIA. I am not of Malay roots. I can easily count off more than a handful of Malay Malaysians recruited by SIA in recent years. Many I can count as my friends and very good professionals.
Please be very aware of your facts before posting them. It makes you look less of a fool. On another thread you enquired as to why the thread stopped after your posting. You want to know why??? Nobody wants to dignify your postings by replying to your posts anymore. You want to kill any threads, just post something, anything. That'll kill the thread for sure.
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Please go back to your post of 23 Jul and read the line which you wrote, which I shall repeat once again. It says "If you scrutinise SIA record from 1965(when Singapore breaks off from Malaysia), not a single MALAY pilots were taken in." Those were indisputably your exact words and nowhere does the statement say "Malaysian Malay" which you are now asserting. So who is the tongue twister here? Yes I am Singaporean in SIA but that really is besides the point and quite irrelevant to the truth about SIA's recruitment practise. I shall state once again that we have in our midst a substantial number of Malays who are Muslim from Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia as well as Muslims from Africa, the sub-continent, Mid-East, Iran, etc. I will not go into the numbers here as I have neither the time nor the inclination to go through the entire SQ crew list of close to 2000 or so. I myself was recruited in the early 90s and in the courses of my vintage there were Malays of Singapore and Malaysian nationalities in representative numbers in most courses. I can even give you the names of those whom I am acquainted with but I don't see the point as you will just brush it off as fictional or on a technicality like "of turkish descent". By the way the gentleman I refer to on your pm is Malay and not of Turkish descent who happens to still be with SQ.
In any legal process anywhere in the free world, the burden of proof is always on the prosecution, not the defendant who is assumed innocent until proven otherwise. Since you were the one who levelled the accusation at SQ, the burden of proof is on you.
I am sorry to have engaged you, but the sole purpose of my postings were to clear up some of the untruths you seem to have declared confidently as fact. Everything I have said is based on FACT and not conjecture or some contortion of the truth which you seem to be fond of employing. Far from being a defender of SQ, I am apalled in the extreme with the company's opportunistic and predatory HR practises, but that's another story. I say again that all I want is for the truth on this issue to be heard. I will not be commenting further on this issue as I know I have already made my point and I can see you drawing this discussion into the ugly realm of racism, into which you seem to have the ability to draw all threads. The right of reply, of course, is undeniably yours but this will be the last of my postings on this thread.
Please go back to your post of 23 Jul and read the line which you wrote, which I shall repeat once again. It says "If you scrutinise SIA record from 1965(when Singapore breaks off from Malaysia), not a single MALAY pilots were taken in." Those were indisputably your exact words and nowhere does the statement say "Malaysian Malay" which you are now asserting. So who is the tongue twister here? Yes I am Singaporean in SIA but that really is besides the point and quite irrelevant to the truth about SIA's recruitment practise. I shall state once again that we have in our midst a substantial number of Malays who are Muslim from Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia as well as Muslims from Africa, the sub-continent, Mid-East, Iran, etc. I will not go into the numbers here as I have neither the time nor the inclination to go through the entire SQ crew list of close to 2000 or so. I myself was recruited in the early 90s and in the courses of my vintage there were Malays of Singapore and Malaysian nationalities in representative numbers in most courses. I can even give you the names of those whom I am acquainted with but I don't see the point as you will just brush it off as fictional or on a technicality like "of turkish descent". By the way the gentleman I refer to on your pm is Malay and not of Turkish descent who happens to still be with SQ.
In any legal process anywhere in the free world, the burden of proof is always on the prosecution, not the defendant who is assumed innocent until proven otherwise. Since you were the one who levelled the accusation at SQ, the burden of proof is on you.
I am sorry to have engaged you, but the sole purpose of my postings were to clear up some of the untruths you seem to have declared confidently as fact. Everything I have said is based on FACT and not conjecture or some contortion of the truth which you seem to be fond of employing. Far from being a defender of SQ, I am apalled in the extreme with the company's opportunistic and predatory HR practises, but that's another story. I say again that all I want is for the truth on this issue to be heard. I will not be commenting further on this issue as I know I have already made my point and I can see you drawing this discussion into the ugly realm of racism, into which you seem to have the ability to draw all threads. The right of reply, of course, is undeniably yours but this will be the last of my postings on this thread.
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Just give me the figure don't beat around the bush.
What 10,12,15,20......
Or in percentage.....2%, 5%..
I bet if the figure you give, will not reflect the population composition at all.
I take it then that if you do not want to give the figures, you are trying to conceal the truth.
So forget about Singaporean Chinese of ever joining MAS.
We have a lot here from the Air Force,Chinese included who had done enough contribution to the country to be taken in.
What 10,12,15,20......
Or in percentage.....2%, 5%..
I bet if the figure you give, will not reflect the population composition at all.
I take it then that if you do not want to give the figures, you are trying to conceal the truth.
So forget about Singaporean Chinese of ever joining MAS.
We have a lot here from the Air Force,Chinese included who had done enough contribution to the country to be taken in.
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Alright, enough already. I fail to see the purpose of this discussion the way it is proceding. I've been more than patient, and quite indulgent, but it's time to draw a line.
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Why on earth would a Singaporean pilot join MAS? relocate to KL for lower pay, lower bonus, poorer prospect (Bumiputra Policy).
Have seen many local pilots left but never to fly again, rather than join another airline.
Have seen many local pilots left but never to fly again, rather than join another airline.
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welcome home
well it is very nice to know that people are talking about coming home to msia...i would like to someday do the same....
i have a friend who is a 737 driver....mas ...
the salary is not really good..comparative to sia or cathay but if u add in ........
(purchasing power ,fun flying,good management team in 737...fleet manager,assistant fleet manager and sip .
a very pro active team of instructors n examiners.)
mas was very down in the dumps n they are now trying to stand up n be counted.i dont think they wanna behave like b4 ...
expansion is on soon...cargo business doing very well...
yes by all means go home ...i wanna be one of them soon.
my source is reliable n credible...
hooray malaysia...finally.
i have a friend who is a 737 driver....mas ...
the salary is not really good..comparative to sia or cathay but if u add in ........
(purchasing power ,fun flying,good management team in 737...fleet manager,assistant fleet manager and sip .
a very pro active team of instructors n examiners.)
mas was very down in the dumps n they are now trying to stand up n be counted.i dont think they wanna behave like b4 ...
expansion is on soon...cargo business doing very well...
yes by all means go home ...i wanna be one of them soon.
my source is reliable n credible...
hooray malaysia...finally.
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The guys who left SQ in 90s are very happy there,meet them often in KL.All on the A330,most instructors there.The money is OK for malaysian standards.The management is understanding and more humane as compared to down south.MH may not make any profit but then again there is no such thing as retrenchement,forced no pay leave or massive pay cut.The stress level there is also minimal.From what i know a lot of Malaysian pilots in SQ are knocking at MH door,trouble is they are getting no response yet.
