Royal Brunei
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Trying to stay awake in Flight Deck
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Lil' Pilot
Have you read this and the other thread on RBA. Havnt you noticed many of the posts are from angry past and present employees who have had their signed contracts ignored and altered at the whim of greedy management.
What sort of response do you expect on this thread asking for employment info. Would you come here on less money to take there positions.
Why dont you respect this thread and start your own requesting info.
Cant you find what you looking for on the internet, directory, or flight intl.
youll be as welcome in brunei as a christian in mecca
Have you read this and the other thread on RBA. Havnt you noticed many of the posts are from angry past and present employees who have had their signed contracts ignored and altered at the whim of greedy management.
What sort of response do you expect on this thread asking for employment info. Would you come here on less money to take there positions.
Why dont you respect this thread and start your own requesting info.
Cant you find what you looking for on the internet, directory, or flight intl.
youll be as welcome in brunei as a christian in mecca
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 846
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
tiredunfedup
Whilst I agree that Lil Pilot can find already all the info re RBA elsewhere I do not think that you should castigate him should he decide that RBA is still better than his current employer and join. Afterall he would join on the reduced T &C's that have been imposed and which he is fully aware of and accepts.
Indeed RBA Pilots are joining SQ and EK where reduced T&C's have been imposed yet despite all this it is still a better bet for some. Indeed Bananas is leaving RBA to join SQ Cargo cos he says he is far better off by doing so and good luck to him.
When you leave RBA eventually you will probably join an Airline where those already employed in will warn you off because of the Management Style. Lets face it all Managements are singing from the same hymn sheet these days.
Whilst I agree that Lil Pilot can find already all the info re RBA elsewhere I do not think that you should castigate him should he decide that RBA is still better than his current employer and join. Afterall he would join on the reduced T &C's that have been imposed and which he is fully aware of and accepts.
Indeed RBA Pilots are joining SQ and EK where reduced T&C's have been imposed yet despite all this it is still a better bet for some. Indeed Bananas is leaving RBA to join SQ Cargo cos he says he is far better off by doing so and good luck to him.
When you leave RBA eventually you will probably join an Airline where those already employed in will warn you off because of the Management Style. Lets face it all Managements are singing from the same hymn sheet these days.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Formerly resident of Knoteatingham
Posts: 957
Received 116 Likes
on
57 Posts
About SIN$6000 Net pcm better off on average. But it wasn't just a financial decision.
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 846
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Bananas
I am sure it will be a welcome relief to get off the B767 which is getting a little long in the tooth. Also on the 744 you will not get on eveyone's nerves over India chugging along at Mach .8 as at present
I am sure it will be a welcome relief to get off the B767 which is getting a little long in the tooth. Also on the 744 you will not get on eveyone's nerves over India chugging along at Mach .8 as at present
Join Date: May 2004
Location: world
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Whilst ageeing with your sentiments, tiredandfedup, the plain fact is that an awful lot of children still want to be pilots, and telling them that the career is rapidly following the Merchant Navy down the plughole is no deterrent. They don't want to listen [I have sad personal experience of this.] They will take any job anywhere if it gets them airborne, and the bigger machine the better. So, for those too idle/incompetent to find out for themselves, here is a list of the current joining requirements for RBA. 1) A U.K. or N.Z licence with 767 rating. 2) No spark of initiative whatsoever coupled with an affinity for grovelling. 3) A pulse. [For those with jet time that can be measured in double figures requirement 3 will be waived].
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: Brunei
Posts: 80
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It seems this sort of info gets posted on here every six months or so.
If any recent joiners can add to this with
*Monthly salary in NZ or Brunei Dollars when you started,
*How long you had to wait from registering with Rishworth to actually starting.
*What the accommodation deal is (do you have to share for the entire contract?).
*Any Medical benefits while on the Rishworth contract
*Any Loss of Licence Insurance while on the Rishworth contract
*Any nasty (or pleasant) surprises you got when you arrived.
*Anything else you think worthwhile for wannabees
Then perhaps we will have a definative resource for RBA wannabees. Perhaps these guys will have more situational awareness. Perhaps they will be able to make better decisions.
Cheers
Joining Royal Brunei Airlines
You will need
A United Kingdom (JAA) A.T.P.L.
Or
A New Zealand A.T.P.L.
A Boeing 767 Type Rating
Obviously time on type is a huge advantage, but many have been accepted with nothing but the bare type rating.
When you have these, you will need to contact
Captain Jack Priest
Senior Consultant
Rishworth Aviation
[email protected]
www.rishworth.co.nz PO Box 37-434, Parnell
Auckland, New Zealand
Tel: +64 9 302 0080
Fax: +64 9 302 0078
Once you are in the system, you will be contacted when,
1. R.B.A. needs more pilots
2. Jack considers that you best fit the requirements RBA have given him.
I have heard pilots who have come through Rishworth complain that they were told to get their B767 rating immediately because they would get a job straight away.
Then they have ended up waiting more than a year for the magic phone call.
All the time the bank, Mum & Dad, or whoever loaned you the money for the type rating are demanding to know when they will get repaid.
If you don’t have a B 767 type rating, there are several places where you can get them, including R.B.A. but just because you buy your type rating from RBA, you are absolutely NOT guaranteed a job with R.B.A.
Places where guys have bought type ratings include the USA, Canada and New Zealand, but I think Air New Zealand have stopped offering them. I’m pretty sure Jack Priest will be able to suggest where you can get a rating if you can’t find out anywhere else.
Cadetships
These are only available to Subjects of H.M. The Sultan of Brunei (ie Bruneian Citizens).
These cadetships will take the successful cadet all the way through from ab initio flying training, through all the ground school subjects and flying training, and even a posting with a (usually) British regional airline for a year or more to get experience, before joining the RBA fleet. The training is done in the U.K. (often Prestwick or Southampton).
If any recent joiners can add to this with
*Monthly salary in NZ or Brunei Dollars when you started,
*How long you had to wait from registering with Rishworth to actually starting.
*What the accommodation deal is (do you have to share for the entire contract?).
*Any Medical benefits while on the Rishworth contract
*Any Loss of Licence Insurance while on the Rishworth contract
*Any nasty (or pleasant) surprises you got when you arrived.
*Anything else you think worthwhile for wannabees
Then perhaps we will have a definative resource for RBA wannabees. Perhaps these guys will have more situational awareness. Perhaps they will be able to make better decisions.
Cheers
Joining Royal Brunei Airlines
You will need
A United Kingdom (JAA) A.T.P.L.
Or
A New Zealand A.T.P.L.
A Boeing 767 Type Rating
Obviously time on type is a huge advantage, but many have been accepted with nothing but the bare type rating.
When you have these, you will need to contact
Captain Jack Priest
Senior Consultant
Rishworth Aviation
[email protected]
www.rishworth.co.nz PO Box 37-434, Parnell
Auckland, New Zealand
Tel: +64 9 302 0080
Fax: +64 9 302 0078
Once you are in the system, you will be contacted when,
1. R.B.A. needs more pilots
2. Jack considers that you best fit the requirements RBA have given him.
I have heard pilots who have come through Rishworth complain that they were told to get their B767 rating immediately because they would get a job straight away.
Then they have ended up waiting more than a year for the magic phone call.
All the time the bank, Mum & Dad, or whoever loaned you the money for the type rating are demanding to know when they will get repaid.
If you don’t have a B 767 type rating, there are several places where you can get them, including R.B.A. but just because you buy your type rating from RBA, you are absolutely NOT guaranteed a job with R.B.A.
Places where guys have bought type ratings include the USA, Canada and New Zealand, but I think Air New Zealand have stopped offering them. I’m pretty sure Jack Priest will be able to suggest where you can get a rating if you can’t find out anywhere else.
Cadetships
These are only available to Subjects of H.M. The Sultan of Brunei (ie Bruneian Citizens).
These cadetships will take the successful cadet all the way through from ab initio flying training, through all the ground school subjects and flying training, and even a posting with a (usually) British regional airline for a year or more to get experience, before joining the RBA fleet. The training is done in the U.K. (often Prestwick or Southampton).
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Trying to stay awake in Flight Deck
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Quite right Millerscourt.
I realise low and no jet time pilots will continue to apply and go to RBA, and why shouldnt they.
My only beef with Lil Pilot was the fact that he used the very same thread, with posts that were justifiably critical with RBAs management with regards to pay, conditions, cessation of pay increments, cut in allowances, rostering maximum hours, fatique, intimidation, sacking of Capt for not going into discretion etc, etc, resulting in many experienced capts leaving and now the airline is made up of relatively inexperienced new capts, and new fos... to ask what likelyhood of him getting a job there, rather than contact that poor excuse for a compamy - Rishworth directly, then due to his inability to find a contact number for them on the internet, intl telephone directory, or flight intl magazine, ...blantantly and / or stupidly asking on the same thread and expecting a serious answer.
If Lil Pilot had started a separate thread asking those same questions i would not have commented, and left those who wished to reply to do so.
Incredible after 6 years and 50 - 60 pilots employed through Rishworth, all of them given a RBA contract after 1 year, they continure to employ through Rishworth, yet when they were overstaffed they sacked 4 contract pilots rather than the last 4 Rishworth.
Corruption is a dirty word, carried out by a few greedy and selfish, at the expense of the innocent many.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
I realise low and no jet time pilots will continue to apply and go to RBA, and why shouldnt they.
My only beef with Lil Pilot was the fact that he used the very same thread, with posts that were justifiably critical with RBAs management with regards to pay, conditions, cessation of pay increments, cut in allowances, rostering maximum hours, fatique, intimidation, sacking of Capt for not going into discretion etc, etc, resulting in many experienced capts leaving and now the airline is made up of relatively inexperienced new capts, and new fos... to ask what likelyhood of him getting a job there, rather than contact that poor excuse for a compamy - Rishworth directly, then due to his inability to find a contact number for them on the internet, intl telephone directory, or flight intl magazine, ...blantantly and / or stupidly asking on the same thread and expecting a serious answer.
If Lil Pilot had started a separate thread asking those same questions i would not have commented, and left those who wished to reply to do so.
Incredible after 6 years and 50 - 60 pilots employed through Rishworth, all of them given a RBA contract after 1 year, they continure to employ through Rishworth, yet when they were overstaffed they sacked 4 contract pilots rather than the last 4 Rishworth.
Corruption is a dirty word, carried out by a few greedy and selfish, at the expense of the innocent many.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
Join Date: May 2000
Location: South East Asia
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
tiredunfedup
This is simply not true.
At least 3 current RBA captains have done 2 + years on a Rishworth contract.
It was not until myself and several others left RBA, that RBA decided to offer an RBA contract after the completion of 1 year. And that was in October 2000 if my memory serves me correctly.
Lets try and stick to the facts.....
50 - 60 pilots employed through Rishworth, all of them given a RBA contract after 1 year,
At least 3 current RBA captains have done 2 + years on a Rishworth contract.
It was not until myself and several others left RBA, that RBA decided to offer an RBA contract after the completion of 1 year. And that was in October 2000 if my memory serves me correctly.
Lets try and stick to the facts.....
Last edited by Big Kahuna; 1st May 2005 at 04:22.
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Brunei
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Corrupt Flight Management
Well said tiredandfedup. Rishworth was set up for the recrutment of pilots to RBA. It is rumoured that BN$ 500 finds its way back per pilot per month. Like the UN/Iraq and the oil for food program, the RBA oil for the Castor program continues to run smoothly.
The Flight Ops Management is not ashamed, but we are ashamed to have them as our managers.
The Flight Ops Management is not ashamed, but we are ashamed to have them as our managers.
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Brunei
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Terms and Conditions Still Dropping
Any increase in flight allowance pay is going to be lost as they reduce the house allowance even further. At the best of times landlords dont like doing business with RBA, and looks like its going to get worse. How do they expect new pilots to find a house for under $2000 a month.
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: UK, Middle East, Far East, USA
Posts: 130
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So last years "pay rise" was funded by reducing paid sick leave from 28 days to 7 days and whatever you have got this year has been funded by reducing the housing allowance! This puts pilots in a situation where they may well have to spend more than their so called "pay rise" to subsidise the company rent so they can continue to live in the same house.
I wonder what will fund next years "pay rise?"
RBA must think you are all stupid to expect to get away with such a cheap trick. What a way to mismanage an airline. Does anyone who isn't a sim instructor actually have more disposable income after the "pay rise?"
I wonder what will fund next years "pay rise?"
RBA must think you are all stupid to expect to get away with such a cheap trick. What a way to mismanage an airline. Does anyone who isn't a sim instructor actually have more disposable income after the "pay rise?"
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Front Seat
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What Pay Increase
How could you consider $1000 a month across the board a payrise.
Pay increments stopped for 3 years.
APPROXIMTE loss per pilot (Not management pilots already on top increments)
Year 1 A Month $400 =a year $4800
Year 2 $800 = $9600
Year 3 $1000 = $12000
Total $26400
car allowance 3 years = $9360
Medical $1500
Total 3 years APPROXIMATE loss $37260
$1000 a month will not even bring the pay up to what pilots should have been getting before the unilateral pay cuts to everyones signed contracts.
Rumored $50 an Flying hour rate over 75 hours (more like $40 an hour duty time)
Normal airlines pay 4-5 times this.
Only pilots benefiting are those in management on top increments already who didnt expect any more, and are planning on staying until retirement anyway.
They wernt the ones working max hour longhauls. They had there 9-4 days in the office. They must be rubbing their little hands together. Best roster themselves a long SYD to celebrate.
They do think your stupid if you believe this a payrise, even more stupid if they think it will stop people leaving.
First Rishworth Capts approaching 3000Hr Cmd time, will be 4 reaching this every 4-6 months very soon, and this will continue. Jobs to go to now, will they be able to keep up with training replacements.
If they want to show any good will and keep people there, they need a pay increase to cover inflation since the last pay increase 15-20 years ago. much higher hourly rate over 75 hours, reinstate and packpay cut increments, Otherwise consider yourself a low cost training airline as the only pilots staying will be the management and then good luck to you.
Pay increments stopped for 3 years.
APPROXIMTE loss per pilot (Not management pilots already on top increments)
Year 1 A Month $400 =a year $4800
Year 2 $800 = $9600
Year 3 $1000 = $12000
Total $26400
car allowance 3 years = $9360
Medical $1500
Total 3 years APPROXIMATE loss $37260
$1000 a month will not even bring the pay up to what pilots should have been getting before the unilateral pay cuts to everyones signed contracts.
Rumored $50 an Flying hour rate over 75 hours (more like $40 an hour duty time)
Normal airlines pay 4-5 times this.
Only pilots benefiting are those in management on top increments already who didnt expect any more, and are planning on staying until retirement anyway.
They wernt the ones working max hour longhauls. They had there 9-4 days in the office. They must be rubbing their little hands together. Best roster themselves a long SYD to celebrate.
They do think your stupid if you believe this a payrise, even more stupid if they think it will stop people leaving.
First Rishworth Capts approaching 3000Hr Cmd time, will be 4 reaching this every 4-6 months very soon, and this will continue. Jobs to go to now, will they be able to keep up with training replacements.
If they want to show any good will and keep people there, they need a pay increase to cover inflation since the last pay increase 15-20 years ago. much higher hourly rate over 75 hours, reinstate and packpay cut increments, Otherwise consider yourself a low cost training airline as the only pilots staying will be the management and then good luck to you.
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Brunei
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Contract Changes
I found out the hard way that RBA can and do just change to terms and conditions of the contract. In fact I am told that when the increments were cut (2-3 years ago) RBA did not even give notice as to the change. It was only the intervention of the Fleet Manager that forced them to reconcider, and at least give a months notice.
Then one has to deal with the arbitrary cuts in the house allowance, and one hears that it is going to now apply to schooling allowances. This is a worry to many of us.
Add this to the fact that one gets no support from the fleet officers who have a take it or leave attitude and one has no option to look elsewhere.
This is a State Airline in crisis.
Then one has to deal with the arbitrary cuts in the house allowance, and one hears that it is going to now apply to schooling allowances. This is a worry to many of us.
Add this to the fact that one gets no support from the fleet officers who have a take it or leave attitude and one has no option to look elsewhere.
This is a State Airline in crisis.
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: a place in the east
Posts: 270
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
are RBA still maintain the classic requirement for expat pilot?? ie, - must hold NZ or UK CAA license
- current in B 767/B757
- apply via Risworth
are they free from apartheid policy in that part of the world in this time
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: Brunei
Posts: 80
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Speedtwoten
Please go to page 21 and read !!
Then you will understand why I am exasperated by your question.
ARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone would think you were management asking about static on the Airbus VHFs -- nomatter how many times you are told, you still want us to report further.
Please go to page 21 and read !!
Then you will understand why I am exasperated by your question.
ARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone would think you were management asking about static on the Airbus VHFs -- nomatter how many times you are told, you still want us to report further.
Join Date: May 2000
Location: South East Asia
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Royal Brunei orders new aircraft.
Boeing today confirm that RBA have firm orders for 8 Boeing 787 Dreamliners and 4 Boeing 777-200LR's.
These new aircraft will replace the current fleet of Boeing 767's and Airbus's
Oh sorry guys just dreaming here. That would be to good to be true. Mind you it would be a perfect mix.
Boeing today confirm that RBA have firm orders for 8 Boeing 787 Dreamliners and 4 Boeing 777-200LR's.
These new aircraft will replace the current fleet of Boeing 767's and Airbus's
Oh sorry guys just dreaming here. That would be to good to be true. Mind you it would be a perfect mix.
