Indigo ( Inter Globe Aviation Ltd ) A320 Expats India

[St. Michael]

Hello Fellow Expats,

This forum is to enable all contractual expats terminated effective 26th June 2020. Feel free to converse
on any topic concerning your termination due to Covid 19.

[BO0M]

Firstly my thoughts go out to everyone effected, especially given the current state of the industry.

I heard rumours all expats had once again been told to leave. Do you know if this also includes the ATR drivers?

[Roti Canai]

I would think so after getting this,
ATR 72-500/600 Type Rating Instructors IndiGo Airlines

Contractair (by Resource Group) is pleased to announce an ATR 72-600 Captain TRI Recruitment campaign on behalf of our client; IndiGo Airlines – based in Gurgaon, Haryana in India.

*RECRUITMENT ON HOLD*

Benefits:

• Initial 3 year contract
• Competitive ATR Captain TRI salary
• Commuting roster available
• Accommodation allowance provided

Requirements:

• EASA/FAA/ICAO Licence and First Class Medical
• 4000 hours Total Time
• 1500 hours as PIC on Multi Engines
• 1000 hours as PIC on ATR 72-500/600
• 2 years’ experience as TRI

Screening:

ATR72-600 Captain TRI Interview, Medical and SIM screening will be held in Delhi over a 2-3 day period. Flights and hotel will need to be provided by the airline.

** Please note there is no assessment dates at the moment **

[St. Michael]

Illegal Termination

More than 200+ Captains on A320 as well as 100+ ATR Captains have been
Illegally terminated, forcefully given pay cuts and leave without pay serving
the notice period unable to leave on their rotational leave given by the airline
during the lockdown..
Worse is airline won't pay for the more expensive Repatriation Tickets
only available due to the lockdown even when contract states that
ticket would be furnished at the end of contract..
Indians are a massive lot in terms of population so don't be fooled into
thinking you will be given honor or respect when you join this Airline.
There are too many English speaking Pilots in India than in China which gives
You no room for self worth and preservation...
Made in India first..

[tomahawk320]

India now has surplus local Captains after closure of Jet Airways, also the Covid 19 Pandemic sent a lot of Expat Indian crew back home unemployed. Air India/Indian Airlines Crew also bailing out due to long delayed salaries and trying to join IndiGo.

IndiGo Expat ATR Captains who were not yet line released were also sent home. Situation in IndiGo is not good for remaining ATR Expats and also local Pilots with mandatory pay cuts for all Crew members.

Economic, labour and health situation is worsening in India. Expats should keep themselves in the loop. So many stranded Expats and Tourists trying to leave the Country since April only.

[tomahawk320]

Heard from reliable sources that the local Pilots are very close to forming an IndiGo Pilots Association/Union. They are fast tracking this initiative since the departure of Expats on the A320. The former Indian Airlines and Jet Airways Captains are very upset with the pay and working conditions at the ULCC that have deteriorated since the onset of the Pandemic.

[tomahawk320]

Also a Class Action lawsuit is being prepared by a leading law firm to address several violations of Indian labour laws related to EPF and Gratuity Pay. Company HR/Payroll was caught in the act during an Audit of fraudulently manipulating Pay stubs in spite of a final ruling by Supreme Court of India.

[St. Michael]

i hope you don't mind me asking? what is EPF and Gratuity Pay? Fraudulently manipulating pay stubs seems like corruption within the company?

I don't believe this is true with the present situation Indigo would not be hiring. I've heard that all a320 Captains have been Terminated effective 26 June 2020 but Indigo has retained some ATR Captains for just a few months until Indian Captains are on-line..

[Pearlharbour]

May I ask what is going on with the Indians 4000 fake licenses under suspect?? Pakistani Licence pilots are not able to fly Europe at least for the next 6 months... so

[Constellation]

This is very Interesting Pakistan has 262 Fake Pilot's but India has 3000 to 4000? I saw this news just now.

India May Have As Many As 4000 ‘Fake’ Pilots

June 27, 2020

dp2019

No CommentsIndia’s Directorate General Civil Aviation (DGCA) says 4000 pilot licenses are under fresh scrutiny after the airline watchdog started scanning several pilots on grounds of faking marksheet back in 2011 to get a pilot license and violating landing norms.

It all began, says a report in local media then, after Parminder Kaur Gulati, a suspended pilot of Indigo airline, was arrested on charges of faking her marksheet to get a pilot license. Another arrest on the same grounds has been made. This time around, Captain J K Verma, a pilot of the national carrier Air India has been arrested.

Verma was arrested and investigations were made. “We have been provided more names by the DGCA. The scanner is on two more pilots – Meenakshi Sehgal of Indigo and Swaran Singh Talwar of MDLR,” a senior police official said.

The report had quoted country’s Civil Aviation secretary Nasim Zaidi saying, “In the wake of the fake pilot scare, licenses of 3,000 to 4,000 pilots are being scrutinized by the DGCA.”

To get a license in India to fly, a pilot has to clear three subjects. “But in Gulati’s case, a probe by the DGCA showed she couldn’t clear two papers, so she allegedly forged the marksheets.”

‘Fake’ license issue is not new. It still remains on the burner, says an expert.

According to Vinod Kannan –an airline executive, the coronavirus pandemic is a “black swan” event.

The South Asian country’s highly lucrative domestic air travel market is also taking a hit as economists say India is no longer staring at a recession but a ‘depression’.

That means lesser lesser domestic travels and revenue for the industry, an observer says.

Scheduled international passenger flights continue to remain suspended in India.

https://despardes.com/india-4000-fake-pilots/


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[Constellation]

Why has EU never banned Indian airlines flown by fake pilots?

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Sabir Shah
July 01, 2020LAHORE: It is not just Pakistan where reports about airline pilots possessing bogus flying licenses has sent shivers down the diaphragms of both state functionaries and the travelers, but a fake...

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LAHORE​​​​​​: It is not just Pakistan where reports about airline pilots possessing bogus flying licenses has sent shivers down the diaphragms of both state functionaries and the travelers, but a fake pilot scam had also surfaced in neighboring India during 2011 when far more1 frightened and rattled aviation authorities across the border had to check licenses of 4,000 pilots for irregularities.While the European Union Air Safety Agency, which has a responsibility for civil aviation safety, certification, regulation, standardization, investigation and monitoring of airlines flying over the Continent’s skies, has suspended the authorization for the Pakistan International Airlines to operate within the 25 countries under its jurisdiction, it has never imposed similar restrictions for the Indian carriers flown by fake pilots.

No other aviation body within the European Union also had the audacity to hand over any sort of penalty to Indian carriers that have been playing with lives of passengers for decades.

Pakistan still has a right to appeal against European Union Air Safety Agency’s decision and can plead that why only PIA was penalized when this issue of fake pilots was far more serious in India!

Research conducted by the “Jang Group and Geo Television Network” reveals that India has a history of arresting pilots with phony licenses and mark-sheets, besides penalizing them for being drunk during duty hours and for falling asleep while flying.

During July 2019, the Indian Ministry of Defence had divulged to its national media houses that since 2010, at least 20 pilots were successful in obtaining licenses on the basis of forged documents. Among these 20, licenses of 15 people were suspended while five pilots were either debarred or their Airport Transport Pilot license was cancelled.

The 15 people, whose licenses were suspended, had submitted a fake mark sheet of Central Examination Organization conducted by Indian Directorate General of Civil Aviation.

In March 2011, according to the “BBC News,” the licenses of some 21 pilots were revoked by India's aviation authorities as they were allegedly proved to be flying with fake documents.

A March 2011 report of Indian “NDTV” had stated: “Just a few days after Parminder Kaur Gulati, a suspended pilot of Indigo airline, was arrested on charges of faking her mark-sheet to get a pilot license, another arrest on the same grounds has been made. This time around, Captain JK Verma, a pilot of the national carrier Air India has been arrested. The airline watchdog admits there was a lapse, but says 4000 pilot licenses are now under fresh scrutiny. Earlier this month authorities said that they were taking action against 57 pilots who had reported for duty drunk over the past two years. Over the same period there have also been reports of pilots falling asleep while flying and pilots fighting with air crew.”

In June 2015, an eminent American media house “Bloomberg” had asserted: “Concern about the quality of India’s pilots has been building over the past decade as a proliferation of budget airlines created demand for hundreds of new pilots. In 2011, the government reviewed the licenses of all 4,000-plus airline pilots in the country, as police investigated at least 18 people suspected of using forged documents to win promotions or certification. The findings of the review were not made public.”

The 39-year old American financial, software, data, and media house headquartered in Manhattan, New York City, had gone on to flash a headline reading “You can get a pilot license in India after just 35 minutes in air!”

The reputed US media house had substantiated: “Pilot Anupam Verma has a certificate that shows he has flown an aircraft for 360 hours. He says he got it after sitting in the co-pilot’s seat for just 35 minutes. He’s one of dozens of pilots in the country who obtained certificates showing inflated flying hours and ground training, according to court documents and interviews with pilots, regulators and industry analysts. The son of a poor farmer, Verma was given a 2.8 million-rupee ($44,000) subsidy by the Indian government to learn to fly a commercial jet.”

The “Bloomberg” had gone on to cite a terrific episode: “The spotlight on aviation safety has swung from aircraft reliability to pilot reliability in the past few years after a series of disasters that were thought to be either deliberate acts of destruction, or the result of inadequate training. The latest, in March, killed 150 people when airline Germanwings’ co-pilot Andreas Lubitz appears to have locked his captain out of the cockpit and flown his jet into a mountain.”

The “Bloomberg” had then painted a horrific picture about the safety norms in India being flouted and the menace of “Over-logging.”

It had added: “Over-logging has been common practice in India since the 1960s, according to a retired commander who has flown in India for over 40 years and asked not to be named because the information was confidential. With the increase in budget airlines the typical number of faked hours rose from about 20 hours to a peak of as much as 150, he said. He said airlines can soon tell if a pilot has faked certificates because they don’t have basic skills, but the carrier can’t fire them because they have DGCA licenses. To bring them up to scratch, airlines have to do expensive corrective training, he said.”

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[flankerpilot]

Originally Posted by Pearlharbour

May I ask what is going on with the Indians 4000 fake licenses under suspect?? Pakistani Licence pilots are not able to fly Europe at least for the next 6 months... so

what in GOD’s good name does this ancient news from 9 years ago have anything to do with this thread ??? This “news” about 4000 fake pilots is from 2011.

Maybe you can open up a Pearl Harbor historical post since you obviously love history

Please don’t come to South Asia threads and instead stick to Europe and your employer Wizzair