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Old 11th Apr 2020, 12:52
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Peach Aviation

Dear all,

Anyone here working for Peach Aviation could provide any information about the company, like working and training environment, conversion course duration, take home salary, etc?

Thanks in advance! ​
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Old 15th Apr 2020, 16:51
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Yes. Any info would be much appreciated.
Thanks y’all
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 07:27
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Hi all,

Also after Peach info from Peach pilots preferably re info on the screening process and simulator testing, interview, medical and if there was psychometric compass type testing?

Also info on JCAB ATPL, A320 type rating if NTR, line training and quality of training etc. if anyone can help.

Thanks. Much appreciated.
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 11:35
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I saw the terms and conditions for Peach sent by an agency. So they assume that you will spent only half of the commuting allowance for commute and advertise the yearly bonus, which is not guaranteed, as a monthly installment. Removing that, I must say I was not very impressed. Unless there is something I am missing...
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 12:04
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Originally Posted by FlyHigher View Post
I saw the terms and conditions for Peach sent by an agency. So they assume that you will spent only half of the commuting allowance for commute and advertise the yearly bonus, which is not guaranteed, as a monthly installment. Removing that, I must say I was not very impressed. Unless there is something I am missing...
I suspect there will be a substantial number of type rated, recently unemployed Captains for whom the figures will be fine and dandy. Just a guess.

Whether there actually will be any positions for gaijin in Japan in the months/maybe years ahead....anyone's guess for now.
Suppose depends whether your're optimist, pessimist or realist.

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Old 20th Apr 2020, 13:38
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Yes, of course. I am not considering leaving my present company. I was just curious as they keep sending e-mail with terms and conditions for several airlines.
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 22:46
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Some contract companies going fishing to increase their data base, some will try and make you sign exclusive contracts to act as sole agent - for positions that may not really exist or may exist...one day.

Japanese contracts have never been at the top end dollar wise and subject to win/lose on exchange rates but seen as reasonably good conditions, fairly honest dealings regards payments etc and if you can play the game their way ops wise then fairly stable.

All just IMHO of course.
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Old 23rd Apr 2020, 20:12
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It seems that all interviews with Peach has now been moved to Skype for assessment during this time.
Had an initial Skype with their HR people, pretty much just questions about past expierneinec haw you would fit in with the Japanese culture?

They were very adamant that there would be no flight home once you start with training , which may take up to six months.

Just wondering how the Skype interview with they Flight Crew would be conducted.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 14th May 2020, 22:14
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Originally Posted by Albun View Post
It seems that all interviews with Peach has now been moved to Skype for assessment during this time.
Had an initial Skype with their HR people, pretty much just questions about past expierneinec haw you would fit in with the Japanese culture?

They were very adamant that there would be no flight home once you start with training , which may take up to six months.

Just wondering how the Skype interview with they Flight Crew would be conducted.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Iím interested as well in getting more information about what to expect during Skype interview.
if someone can share more information I will be glad.
also regarding expansion how many pilots they expect to contract, how many airplanes on order...,

thank you in advance
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Old 15th May 2020, 04:51
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All Japanese operators make it clear from day 1 that commuting (eg. going home) is ONLY available once checked out onto the line. Most agencies fail to inform their candidates about this.

Also having family over during training falls into two categories: it's either totally frowned upon or accepted on a "don't ask don't tell" basis. However accommodation provided is far too small for other than a couple staying in, in any case. Just another fact agencies fail to disclose.

Training is not easy either, high failure rate, as i hear.

Bottom line: expats are a necessity in aviation over there or at least were pre-covid19. I'm not sure about the future, but i have my doubts if it picks up again for the next year or two.

All of the above is second hand info from expat friends working over there at various Japanese operators, but hey this is PPRuNe.
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Originally Posted by j.nips View Post
All Japanese operators make it clear from day 1 that commuting (eg. going home) is ONLY available once checked out onto the line. Most agencies fail to inform their candidates about this.

Also having family over during training falls into two categories: it's either totally frowned upon or accepted on a "don't ask don't tell" basis. However accommodation provided is far too small for other than a couple staying in, in any case. Just another fact agencies fail to disclose.

Training is not easy either, high failure rate, as i hear.

Bottom line: expats are a necessity in aviation over there or at least were pre-covid19. I'm not sure about the future, but i have my doubts if it picks up again for the next year or two.

All of the above is second hand info from expat friends working over there at various Japanese operators, but hey this is PPRuNe.
thank you. And why the failure rate is so high? Is for all the airlines the same?
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Old 15th May 2020, 13:45
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AFAIK personal attitude is the main driver for failures. Not being Japanese "compatible" so i heard, whatever it means. That's how some of the guys put it for me. Also each and every company has to show the authority a failure rate as it wouldn't be normal according to their books that everyone or most of trainees pass. Some companies don't have their own checkers so the authority is doing the job for them. It must have something to do with the culture I guess.
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Old 15th May 2020, 14:08
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Tax is severe. An agency advised expect 38.5% tax on everything except layover allowances and ground transport allowances, both of which are not worth much anyway. Everything else is taxed including the allowance for the flight home. I guess you either accept it and don’t complain, or not go.
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I have just passed the first Skype interview. Was very light hearted and a personality check.

invited to a second interview via Skype. Anyone got any ideas on what this one covers? Suggests there will be management pilots and up to 5 people. Thanks in advance
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Old 28th May 2020, 06:58
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Well done Low Pass. How soon is the 2nd interview happening?
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Old 29th May 2020, 23:20
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I have just passed the first Skype interview. Was very light hearted and a personality check.

invited to a second interview via Skype. Anyone got any ideas on what this one covers? Suggests there will be management pilots and up to 5 people. Thanks in advance

thanks. Scheduled 7 days after being informed of first interview result.
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Congrats buddy
What type of the questions did You get?
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 04:06
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Originally Posted by j.nips View Post
AFAIK personal attitude is the main driver for failures. Not being Japanese "compatible" so i heard, whatever it means. That's how some of the guys put it for me. Also each and every company has to show the authority a failure rate as it wouldn't be normal according to their books that everyone or most of trainees pass. Some companies don't have their own checkers so the authority is doing the job for them. It must have something to do with the culture I guess.
Why is the failure rate so high? It is commonly thought that there have to be failures in order to satisfy some hidden cultural agenda but it is simply not true. Rather than subscribe to a hypothetical conspiracy theory why not just accept the fact that the standards for the screening are higher than you may find elsewhere? That would also answer the question. That is not meant to be insulting at all and that does not necessarily mean that their pilots are inherently better. For instance, some actions in the cockpit that westerners take for granted hold more significance in Japan. CRM is something everyone thinks they understand but in Japan the manner in which you communicate with your flying partner, if less than perfect, is not just something that results in a comment at the debrief. It could mean a down because the checker thinks your management style is unsafe.

They set higher standards for screening in order to insure they get the best product available. Seems reasonable to me. Why accept fair to good when you really want excellent.

Compatible with the Japanese culture simply means polite to a high degree, humble (but not meek) and attentive. No real mystery there. No secret sauce needed.

Good luck to all.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 04:34
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Originally Posted by jrwhitehat View Post
Why is the failure rate so high? It is commonly thought that there have to be failures in order to satisfy some hidden cultural agenda but it is simply not true. Rather than subscribe to a hypothetical conspiracy theory why not just accept the fact that the standards for the screening are higher than you may find elsewhere? That would also answer the question. That is not meant to be insulting at all and that does not necessarily mean that their pilots are inherently better. For instance, some actions in the cockpit that westerners take for granted hold more significance in Japan. CRM is something everyone thinks they understand but in Japan the manner in which you communicate with your flying partner, if less than perfect, is not just something that results in a comment at the debrief. It could mean a down because the checker thinks your management style is unsafe.

They set higher standards for screening in order to insure they get the best product available. Seems reasonable to me. Why accept fair to good when you really want excellent.

Compatible with the Japanese culture simply means polite to a high degree, humble (but not meek) and attentive. No real mystery there. No secret sauce needed.

Good luck to all.
JR is absolutely right !
the failure rate is high not because they want you to fail.
Its because you cant adapt to the Japanese way of doing things and the culture at work.
if you keep comparing to what you have done before and try to teach them how to do it thatís where the problem starts.
Japanese have a way of doing things which differ from the rest of the world.
Its not just the end result but how you do it as well .
All I can say this place not for everyone .
You need to be prepared very well before you come .
Start with an open mind , learn to do it the Japanese and then things will be better .
Training is lengthy and brutal .
But positive about Japan itís a honest and civilized place .

Good Luck

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Old 20th Jun 2020, 17:47
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I've been in contact with Peach recruitment (Rishworth), and they are accepting application packets. They are, however, also very up front right now that the recruitment process will take six or more months in the current environment. No one knows when things will speed up, or not.
FWIW, I'm JCAB licensed, and A320 typed.
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