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To make matters worse the CAAC has now mandated all Chinese airlines take the furloughed Chinese pilots mostly from Hainan and incorporate them into their companies. It is said to be around 1500 pilots. Expats may not be required for a long time in China and when they do start up again don’t expect the same salaries many have been accustomed to. Long term China will do just fine but throughout 2020 I would speculate the need for pilots, especially high costing expensive Foreign Expat Pilots will not be required. Even the domestic carriers have slashed their flight schedules to 25% of pre-coronavirus standards.
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It will be very interesting indeed to see what kind of people the Chinese will be able to recruit when all goes back to normal and they need those 124.000 pilots in the next few years.
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To make matters worse the CAAC has now mandated all Chinese airlines take the furloughed Chinese pilots mostly from Hainan and incorporate them into their companies. It is said to be around 1500 pilots. Expats may not be required for a long time in China and when they do start up again don’t expect the same salaries many have been accustomed to. Long term China will do just fine but throughout 2020 I would speculate the need for pilots, especially high costing expensive Foreign Expat Pilots will not be required. Even the domestic carriers have slashed their flight schedules to 25% of pre-coronavirus standards.
Have you heard that part about the rest of the Chinese airlines absorbing the laid off HNA locals for a fact of just rumoured at the moment?
I mean it makes sense just wondering whether you have heard it from an official source yet or still just hearsay?
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Just like with SARS, the world is ending now, and just like with SARS, when temperature hits 20c or above consistently, this will disappear just as fast.
Then the Prophets of Doom can move on to the next cataclysm.
Then the Prophets of Doom can move on to the next cataclysm.
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It’s pretty clear that demand for air travel in China will be diminished for a period of time.
it’s been pretty obvious that China would prefer not to have to rely on foreign pilots.
This makes it the perfect time to rid themselves of foreign pilots once and for all.
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It’s not just China anymore which has turned downwards. Finn Air just announced furloughs. United Airlines is contemplating furloughs due to deep cutbacks in Asian flying and reduced domestic demand. In Hong Kong all carriers have announced Leave without pay programs. Just the tip of the iceberg Sadly. https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Coro...nto-bankruptcy
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There are still a handful of Chinese companies (not HNAG) who have not put staff on unpaid leave. I hate to say it but they are displaying a bit of wisdom here. It takes a year to get new foreign pilots online. By forcing unpaid leave, they risk losing too many people for when this is all over.
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Yea it’s truly below 20C in Singapore. LMAO. https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-ne...c7ee7d11fe8586
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The only bad thing for my trip this time around is that the government ordered that crews are not to leave their hotels. So room service for me!
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Was in Guangzhou yesterday and flew through Southern China. The airport is a ghost town. The government funded routes are just a drop in the bucket to keep a few planes subsidised and in the air at $10 a flight. The airspace is almost vacant in South China. No flow control, start 45 minutes early and cleared for immediate takeoff whenever you want. Planes stacked up everywhere on every conceivable nook and cranny. This is far from normal. This is a long term hole to dig out from. The people are still wearing masks, rarely go to restaurants for eat in and malls and shops are like ghost towns. Far from normal. The prevailing attitude is cautiously optimism but it’s a long haul to get back to normal. All the factories started up for a week or two then realised all their orders had cancelled and a sluggish cancellation of orders and no future sales so many have closed down again.
QUOTE=CW247;10731636]There is some positivity in the Chinese domestic market. Many small/thin routes are paid for by the government and continued flying over the last month anyway, but now a little more demand is kicking in for the usual busy routes.
BUT. China has now banned any foreign nationals (even those with a resident permit) from coming in. Even employees of Chinese companies. Only duty crew and diplomats allowed.
A few Chinese companies retained their foreigners without unpaid leave, and some of them are at home in their OFF weeks period. Tianjin and a few more airlines have done a recall for their foreign pilots starting next month. But with the restriction on travel to China, neither group of pilots will be coming back to China soon! This may create a temporary shortage of pilots now.[/QUOTE]
QUOTE=CW247;10731636]There is some positivity in the Chinese domestic market. Many small/thin routes are paid for by the government and continued flying over the last month anyway, but now a little more demand is kicking in for the usual busy routes.
BUT. China has now banned any foreign nationals (even those with a resident permit) from coming in. Even employees of Chinese companies. Only duty crew and diplomats allowed.
A few Chinese companies retained their foreigners without unpaid leave, and some of them are at home in their OFF weeks period. Tianjin and a few more airlines have done a recall for their foreign pilots starting next month. But with the restriction on travel to China, neither group of pilots will be coming back to China soon! This may create a temporary shortage of pilots now.[/QUOTE]
