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Old 16th Feb 2020, 11:19
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These ads are pre-ordered months ahead... I'm sure you can disregard any ads for Chinese carriers at this time.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 21:21
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To make matters worse the CAAC has now mandated all Chinese airlines take the furloughed Chinese pilots mostly from Hainan and incorporate them into their companies. It is said to be around 1500 pilots. Expats may not be required for a long time in China and when they do start up again donít expect the same salaries many have been accustomed to. Long term China will do just fine but throughout 2020 I would speculate the need for pilots, especially high costing expensive Foreign Expat Pilots will not be required. Even the domestic carriers have slashed their flight schedules to 25% of pre-coronavirus standards.
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Old 22nd Feb 2020, 05:35
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It will be very interesting indeed to see what kind of people the Chinese will be able to recruit when all goes back to normal and they need those 124.000 pilots in the next few years.
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Old 22nd Feb 2020, 07:50
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Originally Posted by WYOMINGPILOT View Post
To make matters worse the CAAC has now mandated all Chinese airlines take the furloughed Chinese pilots mostly from Hainan and incorporate them into their companies. It is said to be around 1500 pilots. Expats may not be required for a long time in China and when they do start up again donít expect the same salaries many have been accustomed to. Long term China will do just fine but throughout 2020 I would speculate the need for pilots, especially high costing expensive Foreign Expat Pilots will not be required. Even the domestic carriers have slashed their flight schedules to 25% of pre-coronavirus standards.
Hey Wyoming,

Have you heard that part about the rest of the Chinese airlines absorbing the laid off HNA locals for a fact of just rumoured at the moment?

I mean it makes sense just wondering whether you have heard it from an official source yet or still just hearsay?

Thanks
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Old 22nd Feb 2020, 12:05
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Just like with SARS, the world is ending now, and just like with SARS, when temperature hits 20c or above consistently, this will disappear just as fast.

Then the Prophets of Doom can move on to the next cataclysm.
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Old 22nd Feb 2020, 13:51
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Just like with SARS, the world is ending now, and just like with SARS, when temperature hits 20c or above consistently, this will disappear just as fast.

Then the Prophets of Doom can move on to the next cataclysm.
I donít think anyone is saying that the world is ending.
Itís pretty clear that demand for air travel in China will be diminished for a period of time.
itís been pretty obvious that China would prefer not to have to rely on foreign pilots.
This makes it the perfect time to rid themselves of foreign pilots once and for all.
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Old 28th Feb 2020, 01:16
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It’s not just China anymore which has turned downwards. Finn Air just announced furloughs. United Airlines is contemplating furloughs due to deep cutbacks in Asian flying and reduced domestic demand. In Hong Kong all carriers have announced Leave without pay programs. Just the tip of the iceberg Sadly. https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Coro...nto-bankruptcy


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Old 28th Feb 2020, 13:20
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There are still a handful of Chinese companies (not HNAG) who have not put staff on unpaid leave. I hate to say it but they are displaying a bit of wisdom here. It takes a year to get new foreign pilots online. By forcing unpaid leave, they risk losing too many people for when this is all over.
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Old 28th Feb 2020, 20:57
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Yea itís truly below 20C in Singapore. LMAO. https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-ne...c7ee7d11fe8586
Originally Posted by The Dominican View Post
Just like with SARS, the world is ending now, and just like with SARS, when temperature hits 20c or above consistently, this will disappear just as fast.

Then the Prophets of Doom can move on to the next cataclysm.
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Old 28th Feb 2020, 21:29
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Originally Posted by WYOMINGPILOT View Post
Yea itís truly below 20C in Singapore. LMAO
Have you been to any mall or movie theater in Singapore?
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 00:07
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Originally Posted by hamil View Post
Have you been to any mall or movie theater in Singapore?
No, as they wonít allow my kind to set foot in their kingdom. Though I am certain it looks like this.


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Old 25th Mar 2020, 00:13
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Originally Posted by WYOMINGPILOT View Post
No, as they won’t allow my kind to set foot in their kingdom. Though I am certain it looks like this.
It is a known fact that this virus has a lesser life span on surfaces in warm weather, that is exactly what helped during SARS (Also a Coronavirus) and it is what scientists expect to happen here, nobody has said that it doesn’t affect warm weather countries as well. But if the virus has less capabilities to survive on surfaces it works on our favor. And no! people in Singapore are out and about, but everyone is trying to maintain social distance and maintaining proper care like everywhere else, I was there a couple of days ago and headed out there tomorrow.

The only bad thing for my trip this time around is that the government ordered that crews are not to leave their hotels. So room service for me!
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Old 29th Mar 2020, 15:48
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https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/c1AG9JYTmvSIgfZLxGpJKA
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 14:53
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Was in Guangzhou yesterday and flew through Southern China. The airport is a ghost town. The government funded routes are just a drop in the bucket to keep a few planes subsidised and in the air at $10 a flight. The airspace is almost vacant in South China. No flow control, start 45 minutes early and cleared for immediate takeoff whenever you want. Planes stacked up everywhere on every conceivable nook and cranny. This is far from normal. This is a long term hole to dig out from. The people are still wearing masks, rarely go to restaurants for eat in and malls and shops are like ghost towns. Far from normal. The prevailing attitude is cautiously optimism but itís a long haul to get back to normal. All the factories started up for a week or two then realised all their orders had cancelled and a sluggish cancellation of orders and no future sales so many have closed down again.

QUOTE=CW247;10731636]There is some positivity in the Chinese domestic market. Many small/thin routes are paid for by the government and continued flying over the last month anyway, but now a little more demand is kicking in for the usual busy routes.

BUT. China has now banned any foreign nationals (even those with a resident permit) from coming in. Even employees of Chinese companies. Only duty crew and diplomats allowed.

A few Chinese companies retained their foreigners without unpaid leave, and some of them are at home in their OFF weeks period. Tianjin and a few more airlines have done a recall for their foreign pilots starting next month. But with the restriction on travel to China, neither group of pilots will be coming back to China soon! This may create a temporary shortage of pilots now.[/QUOTE]
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