Japanese trying to become a pilot
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Yup, also saw that one before too but thank you for sharing that information as well! I think that is another goal that I can set. ATPL and MEIR and 500 hours on top sounds so far...
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Hi there Tendon!
The topic you bring up is one close to me. My country doesn't have a national cadet program at the moment and I am in limbo because I already payed for training at an EASA institute without any guarantee of a job or prospects so I'm left doing other jobs to make up for it. I'd like to support the advice you got before: Never join any training that doesn't get you a job because getting one after without an EU or US citizenship is next to impossible. But don't give up! You seem to be more qualified to fly than some people I already know flying so I suggest you google "MPL programs". An MPL might be expensive, but with a guaranteed job at the end, you're at a better place.
Forget Emirates Academy because it's trash but check out Etihad Flight Academy. I am not sure of the details but the academy has been growing despite Etihad's overall troubles. They advertise an MPL program so check that out but the one I suggest you look is the Air Arabia MPL program. They have people from various nationalities in the program and I know the students in this course are currently flying as First Officers for Air Arabia throughout the Middle East and Asia. They have no major complaints on the treatment or anything, although pay is initially low.
Aside from that, you can even check the Czech Training Center. I don't think they restrict for citizens yet.
I wish you all the best!!
The topic you bring up is one close to me. My country doesn't have a national cadet program at the moment and I am in limbo because I already payed for training at an EASA institute without any guarantee of a job or prospects so I'm left doing other jobs to make up for it. I'd like to support the advice you got before: Never join any training that doesn't get you a job because getting one after without an EU or US citizenship is next to impossible. But don't give up! You seem to be more qualified to fly than some people I already know flying so I suggest you google "MPL programs". An MPL might be expensive, but with a guaranteed job at the end, you're at a better place.
Forget Emirates Academy because it's trash but check out Etihad Flight Academy. I am not sure of the details but the academy has been growing despite Etihad's overall troubles. They advertise an MPL program so check that out but the one I suggest you look is the Air Arabia MPL program. They have people from various nationalities in the program and I know the students in this course are currently flying as First Officers for Air Arabia throughout the Middle East and Asia. They have no major complaints on the treatment or anything, although pay is initially low.
Aside from that, you can even check the Czech Training Center. I don't think they restrict for citizens yet.
I wish you all the best!!
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JAL MPL
I am training at CAE Phoenix with JAL Cadets, my reviews about them.
pros :
1. They get paid around $3000 per month as stipend.
2. Company sponsored living and training cost.
3. Additional training on Citation Jet.
4. Separate instructors with more experience and attachment to the company.
5. 6 months English training provided as well.
6. Great Support from JAL Staff.
7. Good future prospect with both narrow and wide body in JAL.
cons:
1. Lifetime Bond!!! Failure to comply will lead to payback of all the training and living cost. I.e. several Hundred Thousand dollars and possible loss of job opportunity in any Japanese Airline.
2. Japanses culture highly infact overly disciplined, doesn't suit other people.
3. Failing twice in any checkride will result in expulsion from the programme and all your flying hours will go into dump, as this is a MPL programme.
Good Luck.
pros :
1. They get paid around $3000 per month as stipend.
2. Company sponsored living and training cost.
3. Additional training on Citation Jet.
4. Separate instructors with more experience and attachment to the company.
5. 6 months English training provided as well.
6. Great Support from JAL Staff.
7. Good future prospect with both narrow and wide body in JAL.
cons:
1. Lifetime Bond!!! Failure to comply will lead to payback of all the training and living cost. I.e. several Hundred Thousand dollars and possible loss of job opportunity in any Japanese Airline.
2. Japanses culture highly infact overly disciplined, doesn't suit other people.
3. Failing twice in any checkride will result in expulsion from the programme and all your flying hours will go into dump, as this is a MPL programme.
Good Luck.
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Thank you so much Vaero and I apologize for super late reply!
I actually got into car accident on the day you replied my thread and currently in physical therapy now
I will definitely look into MPL programs and Czech Training Center!
I actually got into car accident on the day you replied my thread and currently in physical therapy now
I will definitely look into MPL programs and Czech Training Center!
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Hey hitansh
Thanks for the reply and I apologize for late response due to my surgery...
I'm glad you gave me those raw info. Most of the info is what I found online or learnt while I was working as mechanic at ANA.
I did apply for their MPL programme before and failed their 1st stage group interview.
Your "cons #2" is another reason is one of the reason why I left mechanic because I'm completely Americanized (not that I am lazy or anything but the Japanese culture there did not fit me"
Thanks for the reply and I apologize for late response due to my surgery...
I'm glad you gave me those raw info. Most of the info is what I found online or learnt while I was working as mechanic at ANA.
I did apply for their MPL programme before and failed their 1st stage group interview.
Your "cons #2" is another reason is one of the reason why I left mechanic because I'm completely Americanized (not that I am lazy or anything but the Japanese culture there did not fit me"
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I have no info to provide regarding initial license studies, but I strongly suggest you check with the relevant authorities the consequences of the surgery on your future Initial Class I medical before dropping a cent into your license.
Hopefully it will be nothing but just in case. Good luck!
Hopefully it will be nothing but just in case. Good luck!
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I have no info to provide regarding initial license studies, but I strongly suggest you check with the relevant authorities the consequences of the surgery on your future Initial Class I medical before dropping a cent into your license.
Hopefully it will be nothing but just in case. Good luck!
Hopefully it will be nothing but just in case. Good luck!
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From the info you originally posted about yourself, I see that you:
-Graduated university from America with an aerospace engineering degree
-worked for ANA as an aircraft mechanic mainly with Boeing aircraft
I have experience with both the Canadian and the US systems; I hold pilot licenses from both countries, but am a citizen of neither. I will make a suggestion that may be quite different than the others you've received.
Your best bet if you want to work as a pilot in Canada is to try and get a job offer there first as an aircraft engineer, i.e., in the same field in which you worked in Japan. With the job offer in hand, it should be relatively easy for you to apply and get Landed Immigrant status in Canada (permanent residency) since you already have at least 1 year's work experience in the field that you will be pursuing in Canada. Once in Canada as a PR, you can work for a while as a engineer while getting your pilot ratings, then quit the engineering field and find work as a pilot with no restrictions.
The reason behind my suggestion is that it is almost impossible to emigrate these days to a western country as a pilot, but Canada will happily take engineers. Immigration Canada maintains an "Approved Professions" list, so you can check for yourself. Google: National Occupational Classification (NOC).
Cheers and good luck.
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Hey av8beyond,
Thank you so much for the advice!
That advice is really different from others but it does make sense.
The thing is I will be starting my flight training starting next week but I guess it doesn't hurt to do some more research on working as a engineer.
I heard that there is shortage in flight instructor in Canada but do you have any info about that?
Thank you so much for the advice!
That advice is really different from others but it does make sense.
The thing is I will be starting my flight training starting next week but I guess it doesn't hurt to do some more research on working as a engineer.
I heard that there is shortage in flight instructor in Canada but do you have any info about that?
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Hi Tendon Pilot ,
I read your questions from years ago and the valuable answers given to these questions like a story..What did you decide and most likely your training is over now, I hope you got a job in the US
Your experiences can be a guide for those who are looking a solution, like me.
I read your questions from years ago and the valuable answers given to these questions like a story..What did you decide and most likely your training is over now, I hope you got a job in the US
Your experiences can be a guide for those who are looking a solution, like me.
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Hey svktcyln,
Long story short, I am currently a flight instructor ready to apply for the airlines in Canada under work permit. I am about to start my permanent residency process.
Here is the breakdown by years:
2019-2020: PPL
2020-2021: CPL
2021-2022: Flight Instructor training
2022-Present: Flight Instructor
Long story short, I am currently a flight instructor ready to apply for the airlines in Canada under work permit. I am about to start my permanent residency process.
Here is the breakdown by years:
2019-2020: PPL
2020-2021: CPL
2021-2022: Flight Instructor training
2022-Present: Flight Instructor
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JCAB Atpl can be converted from another ICAO Atpl through an airline, but only after you have considerable experience. Anything before that (eg from a FAA CPL) will be very expensive and requires a lot of training in Japan.
I recommend you go to the US, get CPL asap and try to stay there as instructor. You’ll get a visa for that as many have done already. Afterwards you can get into a regional if things stay as they are now, and in the future Japan will be an option for sure.
I recommend you go to the US, get CPL asap and try to stay there as instructor. You’ll get a visa for that as many have done already. Afterwards you can get into a regional if things stay as they are now, and in the future Japan will be an option for sure.
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Stay away with JCAB unless we can get into JL or NH but we all know there is zero chance.
You won’t survive in the company as someone who went to international schools all the way from kindergarten.
You won’t survive in the company as someone who went to international schools all the way from kindergarten.
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Hey svktcyln,
Long story short, I am currently a flight instructor ready to apply for the airlines in Canada under work permit. I am about to start my permanent residency process.
Here is the breakdown by years:
2019-2020: PPL
2020-2021: CPL
2021-2022: Flight Instructor training
2022-Present: Flight Instructor
Long story short, I am currently a flight instructor ready to apply for the airlines in Canada under work permit. I am about to start my permanent residency process.
Here is the breakdown by years:
2019-2020: PPL
2020-2021: CPL
2021-2022: Flight Instructor training
2022-Present: Flight Instructor
If you have the time, I'd greatly appreciate hearing the long story of your flight career. Especially what visas and license conversions you had to get to work in in the US/Canada?
Thanks in advance. Regards.
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Keep at it. And whatever you do, don't listen to PPRUNE trolls who say you can't do this or that.
For example, if someone tells you you'll never be able to get a job in Japan with only an FAA license and no JCAB, just remember that loads of guys who have never even been to Japan get hired by Air Japan etc and they all eventually got a JCAB license. It's true you don't want to try to convert FAA to JCAB on your own, but it will be taken care of when you join a Japanese airline. And if the naysayers on here come up with something like just work in an office and fly a Cessna on the weekend, ignore them completely. I got "advice" like that from trolls trying to pull everyone around them down like crabs in a barrel decades ago when I started out. So glad I didn't listen. Stick to your plan. がんばって
For example, if someone tells you you'll never be able to get a job in Japan with only an FAA license and no JCAB, just remember that loads of guys who have never even been to Japan get hired by Air Japan etc and they all eventually got a JCAB license. It's true you don't want to try to convert FAA to JCAB on your own, but it will be taken care of when you join a Japanese airline. And if the naysayers on here come up with something like just work in an office and fly a Cessna on the weekend, ignore them completely. I got "advice" like that from trolls trying to pull everyone around them down like crabs in a barrel decades ago when I started out. So glad I didn't listen. Stick to your plan. がんばって
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