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Old 17th Jun 2020, 22:27
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I would say they are either just collecting CV's or it's an auto reply from the recruiting email address.

Jetstar Vietnam will be fully turned over to VNA so maybe the expats there will be jobless too.
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 21:38
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Bamboo hired 20 pilots from Jetstar and VietJet promising career and salaries.
But BAV pilots are unpaid since February and they are running out of cash...despite the crew situation "The Big Family" is planning a further salary reduction of 30% retractive at 1st June 2020.

Good Luck my friends!
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 18:52
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Bamboo airways local staff were seen protesting outside Bamboo HQ due to lack of salary since months.... I heard they have 12000 cvs on file , no shortage of mugs waiting to fly for free!
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Old 2nd Jul 2020, 04:35
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Dear Bamboozled Friends and Bamboo Management.

As mentioned in our first email, and now that we have almost everbodies email address, we will now include BAV management so they are aware of the actions that we intend to do if they insist in lowering our pay and making our work conditions worse.

It is important to make clear that these actions will NOT affect SAFETY or the company in any permanent way. For now on, BAV will have to communicate there actions towards us before applying changes and we will not just sit and allow ourselves to be screwed over and over again.

We have many ways to affect Bamboo image, and we will begin with social media and internet. This is will affect ticket sales and the recruitment of pilots that are eager to find a job, but do not know what they really are getting into. What stability and certainty will they have if BAV insists in unilaterally changing and not respecting any of there contracts? They will accept what conditions to only have them changed overnight?

The company is not being honest with the pilots that want to return to there jobs in Vietnam; we also want them back, we need them to come, but it is all at their own expense and risk of being cuarentined, without any kind of assurance that once they are here, the conditions are again changed and our salary reduced by another 30%! We know through vietnamese pilots that those are the plans of BAV management. And the Vietnamese pilots salaries were cut 30% without announcements and made retroactive to June 01! The Vietnamese pilots are NOT happy either!

We are also aware that the company is requesting the CAAV for us to fly 110 hours a month. So we will work more for less money?

BAV is hiring new pilots under local law, without brokers, but then the salary will be taxed between 20 to 30%! Again,
More work for less money!

With the intended new pay, many pilots will have to choose to pay the rent or to send their children to school. School in Vietnam is ridiculously expensive and again BAV does not offer any help or support. We cannot send our children to a state school because most speak no Vietnamese at all! Again this is unacceptable. Even the pilots that have there family in there home country will have to face this terrible choices, because they will have to maintain 2 houses, one here and one at home.

And for the new pilots that may think that BAV will promise quick upgrades, be advised that the company wants to charge you money for the upgrade! Several thousand dollars during this time of terrible economic uncertainty? Who is going to have the money for that?. Another chapter, coming back from Ho Chi Minh, a pilot told me the Visas are self funded at an outrageous sum paid to HR directly. The real cost of the visas are 60 US$ per pilot for 3 month multiple entry. The HR cost of those visas were 240 US$ per pilot. The excuse was, we need to pay to the "immigration officer". Thieves. All HR are involved in this.

If we do not receive honest assurances soon that there will be no more cuts and worse work conditions we will take further actions which include, but are not limited to, simply stop flying and ground all flights. We have the support of many Vietnamese pilots that are just as disappointed as the expats are.

We are available to HELP Bamboo, but NOT at the cost of our families, our safety, our fisical and mental health! The current conditions of the market does not mean that our help is to just sit and be screwed indefinitely, specially when many of these problems were from before COVID-19, like the 2 Airbus A330 that were painted and prepared, pilots were hired and paid while waiting then the dream A350 came into the offer only to be discarded at the very last moment forcing them to accept the A320 or get fired . That mistake was not free or without a huge cost, loss of Recency , Loss of Money .

BAV has to start improving there communication to us which is terrible. We are always in the dark without news about our lives, our roster, our income, etc., and we will not take this any more.

Fly safe,

The Bamboozled Pilots Initiative
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 02:44
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09 July 2020,
still waiting for FEBRUARY SALARY. They pay us only 50% of basic and another 25% for Pilots are now flying in Vietnam.
NO formal communication between HR and Agencies that are still waiting to sign the last pay-cut policy. HR is waiting for a new 30% cut policy that
as for usual Bamboo Management Policy will be RETROACTIVE.
NO chances to have any answer regarding "Stock Options" sold to employees promising them a buy back option with double price amount.
Pilots are flying unpaid.
The "BIG FAMILY " is waiting to screw us again.
NO chances for Command upgrade (we need pilots and cadets filling managers pocket) that in any case will be charged as usual.

That´s all folks!
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 11:02
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Originally Posted by Ovento View Post
9th July add on

They asked for some us return by our own way as tourist to Cambodia and want us do a quarantine after crossing the border.
No salary since February like above people said.
Very poor poor poor no other words for this.
Some are apparently quarantined on FLC resort, not so bad move folks!
Now the main point for all of us is IF the "Big Family" HR wants to deal with Agencies or just avoiding any communication as usual
plus obviously the salaries they owe to all Crews.
They should decide if they want to keep dishing out their reputation in the small aviation world
The HR manager is clearly out of aviation business
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 11:21
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Originally Posted by BAe 146-100 View Post
Bamboo airways local staff were seen protesting outside Bamboo HQ due to lack of salary since months.... I heard they have 12000 cvs on file , no shortage of mugs waiting to fly for free!
12000 CVs....Remember Bamboo is usually using fake news: 380 then 330 then 350 then 777X then Embraer
They usually sell dreams as FLC group in the real estate market
They should have victims but I believe that many of them will be ready to leave at the first opportunity
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 14:51
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How does the Bamboo Cadet Program compare to the Vietjet Cadet Program?

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Old 7th Jul 2020, 15:59
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How does green poo compare to brown poo?
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 08:14
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Bam_boom changed the wage policy again and again and again.....

Originally Posted by skywalker777 View Post
Dear Bamboozled Friends and Bamboo Management.

As mentioned in our first email, and now that we have almost everbodies email address, we will now include BAV management so they are aware of the actions that we intend to do if they insist in lowering our pay and making our work conditions worse.

It is important to make clear that these actions will NOT affect SAFETY or the company in any permanent way. For now on, BAV will have to communicate there actions towards us before applying changes and we will not just sit and allow ourselves to be screwed over and over again.

We have many ways to affect Bamboo image, and we will begin with social media and internet. This is will affect ticket sales and the recruitment of pilots that are eager to find a job, but do not know what they really are getting into. What stability and certainty will they have if BAV insists in unilaterally changing and not respecting any of there contracts? They will accept what conditions to only have them changed overnight?

The company is not being honest with the pilots that want to return to there jobs in Vietnam; we also want them back, we need them to come, but it is all at their own expense and risk of being cuarentined, without any kind of assurance that once they are here, the conditions are again changed and our salary reduced by another 30%! We know through vietnamese pilots that those are the plans of BAV management. And the Vietnamese pilots salaries were cut 30% without announcements and made retroactive to June 01! The Vietnamese pilots are NOT happy either!

We are also aware that the company is requesting the CAAV for us to fly 110 hours a month. So we will work more for less money?

BAV is hiring new pilots under local law, without brokers, but then the salary will be taxed between 20 to 30%! Again,
More work for less money!

With the intended new pay, many pilots will have to choose to pay the rent or to send their children to school. School in Vietnam is ridiculously expensive and again BAV does not offer any help or support. We cannot send our children to a state school because most speak no Vietnamese at all! Again this is unacceptable. Even the pilots that have there family in there home country will have to face this terrible choices, because they will have to maintain 2 houses, one here and one at home.

And for the new pilots that may think that BAV will promise quick upgrades, be advised that the company wants to charge you money for the upgrade! Several thousand dollars during this time of terrible economic uncertainty? Who is going to have the money for that?. Another chapter, coming back from Ho Chi Minh, a pilot told me the Visas are self funded at an outrageous sum paid to HR directly. The real cost of the visas are 60 US$ per pilot for 3 month multiple entry. The HR cost of those visas were 240 US$ per pilot. The excuse was, we need to pay to the "immigration officer". Thieves. All HR are involved in this.

If we do not receive honest assurances soon that there will be no more cuts and worse work conditions we will take further actions which include, but are not limited to, simply stop flying and ground all flights. We have the support of many Vietnamese pilots that are just as disappointed as the expats are.

We are available to HELP Bamboo, but NOT at the cost of our families, our safety, our fisical and mental health! The current conditions of the market does not mean that our help is to just sit and be screwed indefinitely, specially when many of these problems were from before COVID-19, like the 2 Airbus A330 that were painted and prepared, pilots were hired and paid while waiting then the dream A350 came into the offer only to be discarded at the very last moment forcing them to accept the A320 or get fired . That mistake was not free or without a huge cost, loss of Recency , Loss of Money .

BAV has to start improving there communication to us which is terrible. We are always in the dark without news about our lives, our roster, our income, etc., and we will not take this any more.

Fly safe,

The Bamboozled Pilots Initiative
A couple o f day ago, employees received a new salary policy from July 01with "board of directors" decision to CUT salaries around 30-40%.
..the next day, the "evil group" sent agents another RETROACTIVE wage policy from June 1 where, instead of a wage cut only, all the amounts are gross and ten taxable by the Vietnamese government.
Personal income tax and Social Security are then charged into employees' pockets with ANOTHER 20-30% CUT
The new contract has previously been varied with only two choices 5/1 and 8/2, with no decent commuting options
Bamboo continues to vary the conditions retroactively making each contract totally unreliable
How is it possible to remunerate staff in accordance with their roster...if a roster you never had?
BamBoom is the only Vietnamese company that has not yet paid its previous salaries and there is no mention of a return plan


At least Vietjet and Vietnam Airlines pay regularly and with conditions that are met and not with bogus contracts that are then regularly disillusioned.
The competitors, in addition to the pay cut, did not touch the system of shifts for commuters and the conditions applied equally to all staff.

Bamboom is evidently applying a well-known fishing technique, paying employees with part of the back wages and then
psychologically forcing them to work hoping to receive what is promised by plans and contracts that will never be met.

Where are you, my dear pilots? Do you like to be tricked hard or make a deal in a that has been digging your grave since long time?

and what about the keyboard warriors who plan unforgettable actions on social networks... are you already dead?

BAMBOOZLED is the perfect nickname for you....

and a final addition to the cadets who pay 87,000 dollars in the pocket of the FLC Group.
You're really brave, even if you're reckless.
My best wishes, even if the quality of the training you will receive will be really low
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 08:22
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Wink Bamboozled = Brown

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How does green poo compare to brown poo?
I guess the brown poo is the bamboozled one or you like the way they stole your money?
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 08:37
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Letter from Pilots to Agencies

Dear Agents,

In the beginning of the year, COVID-19 took the world by surprise, hitting the airline industry hard, grounding most of commercial operations worldwide. We all understand the severity of those events and its impact on the working conditions in the past months and all of us have pitched in and continue doing so as the company and agencies asked us to do, through our families and personal lives have increasingly been affected by this sacrifice, to a point it’s be come unbearable.

When it all began and the bigger airlines started to ground operations, the contract was abruptly modified with temporary measures to seize the opportunity to gain new slots and GROW in this crisis. We weren’t happy but never the less we understood the situation and accepted the terms as temporary according to what the agency was informing.
Then the crisis deepened and BAMBOO had no choice but to stop operations, even missing payment of salary already owed, which as of today weare all still awaiting to collect.

As you well know Bamboo has resumed operations for a couple of months now, practically all of their aircraft are flying again and projections are positive for the near future, we can not say the same for its competitors (Vietnam Airlines, Vietjet and Jetstar-Pacific) who still have many aircraft grounded. Just to give some rough estimates, VNA has a fleet size approximately of 102 aircraft and 64 destinations (28 of which are heavy aircraft and many international destinations), Vietjet has approximately a fleet of 75 aircraft and 46 destinations (many of them international), BAMBOO has around fleet of 25 aircraft and around 20 something destinations, the majority of which are domestic flights, hiring new pilots and an ongoing expansion plan, so the reality is different of the story weare being sold, no matter how many surveys are done there is no point in comparing the contractualsituation between companies, as they are very different.

During the past week Pilots have been told about Bamboo terms changing yet again, with no reasoning on why, as COVID is no more a valid point. In addition to this insult, the terms keep changingRETROACTIVELY,showing absolutely no respect for contracts signed.

Even then, they are all imaginary numbers, we are flying for free. No payment has been received, not even a date and sum of what it will be.

The absurdity and total lack of respect to our families and ourselves as professional airline pilots and as human beings is appalling, we came to Vietnam to build our life here while helping a newly formed airline make a mark in the industry through our expertise, compromise and professionalism, we’ve made sacrifices and demonstrated our willingness to help, getting nothing in return.

Sadly, also the agents have worked only as a poor bridge of communication, bringing no support nor representation, they have shined by its absence, in opposition to what was sold to us as if we were almost a family.What we have been observing now is that they are acting palely, washing their hands to continuous breaks on contracts and choosing to act merely as observers of the chaos, refusing to acknowledge the need to further act on our behalf. The continuous change of terms and zero efficient communication has made them totally unclear, no one knows what they are. The lack of payment and transparency plus the way the information has been transmitted to us has made our day exhausting and unbearable, we urgently need concrete answers, and we come together here to demand:
  1. a clear payroll with the total amount of the debt owed to each pilot, including the percentage left in February and full debt of March, May and June, including a payment plan for that debt, with dates and amounts
  2. to address that no “temporary base assignments” will be accepted until the policy is made clear and contracts respected, as well as salary payment accomplished
  3. to revert payment policies back to the addendum we signed (dated 18June,2020) with no further reductions plus a real compromise for them to be temporary with a fix date for its review.
  4. to provide a new payment scheme with NET figures to be paid monthly, no confusing formulas and deductions. Just to be clear, we will not accept the tax and social insurance contribution proposal.
You are all experienced people in the Aviation Industry and it’s needless to say that with all that’s been going on, despite our best efforts to maintain the high safety levels of our operations, it is undeniable that such irresponsible attitudes are pushing the safety limits beyond its acceptable boundaries, as crews are flying incredibly stressed with the increasing pressure of a never changing undefined situation together with the lack of proper payment. This can be observed by the great increase in safety related events in the past month, with great attention to the large number of events just internally published by the Bamboo’s Safety Department. The liability of an imminent safety related occurrence of great proportions lies on the hands of such irresponsible actions of all of you, including the Agencies.

For the safety of everyone involved, Company, Vietnamese Aviation Market, our dear passengers and our beloved families, we see no alternative rather than go on unpaid leave in the near future should these four basic demands not be observed. Being grateful to have a job is in no conflict with looking for what's objectively fair. We think all parts could compromise with better terms, improving in honesty and transparency.

As always, we extend to you our commitment to continue working on this project and hope Agencies and Bamboo can see eye to eye in this delicate matter.
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 08:54
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I imagine that it's no different over at VJ either.
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 09:05
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Originally Posted by rilawa View Post
In the beginning of the year, COVID 19 took the world by surprise, hitting the airline industry hard, grounding most of commercial operations worldwide.

We all understand the severity of those events and its impact on the working conditions in the past months and all of us have pitched in and continue doing so as the company and agencies asked us to do, though our families and personal lives have increasingly been affected by this sacrifice, to a point it’s become unbearable.
When it all began and the bigger airlines started to ground operations, the contract was abruptly modified with temporary measures to seize the opportunity to gain new slots and GROW in this crisis.
We weren’t happy but nevertheless we understood the situation and accepted the terms as temporary according to what agencies were informing.
Then the crisis deepened and Bamboo had no choice but to stop operations, even missing payment of salary already owed, which as of today we are all still awaiting to collect.

As you well know Bamboo has resumed operations for a couple of months now, practically all of their aircraft are flying again and projections are positive for the near future, we can not say the same for its competitors (VNA, Vietjet and Jetstar Pacific) who still have aircraft grounded.

Just to give some rough estimates, VNA has a fleet size approximately of 102 aircraft and 64 destinations (28 of which are heavy AC and many destinations international ones),
Vietjet has approximately a fleet of 75 aircraft and 46 destinations (many of them international), Bamboo has around fleet of 25 aircraft and around 20 something destinations, the majority of which are domestic flights, hiring new pilots and an ongoing expansion plan, so the reality is different of the story we are being sold, no matter how many surveys are done there is no point in comparing the contractual situation between companies, as they are very different.
During the past week we’ve been told about the contract terms changing yet again, with no reasoning on why, as “COVID” is no more a valid point. In addition the terms keep changing RETROACTIVELY, showing absolutely no respect for contracts signed.
Even then, they are all imaginary numbers, we are flying for free. No payment has been received, not even a date and sum of what it will be.

The absurdity and total lack of respect to our families and ourselves as professional airline pilots and as human beings is appalling, we came to Vietnam to build our life here while helping a newly formed airline make a mark in the industry through our expertise, compromise and professionalism, we’ve made sacrifices and demonstrated our willingness to help, getting nothing in return.
Sadly, also the agencies have worked only as a poor bridge of communication, bringing no support nor representation, they have shined by its absence, in opposition to what was sold to us as if we were almost a family. What we have been observing now is Agencies acting palely, washing their hands to continuous breaks on contracts and choosing to act merely as observers of the chaos, refusing to acknowledge the need to further act on our behalf.
The continuous change of terms and zero efficient communication has made them totally unclear, no one knows what they are. The lack of payment and transparency plus the way the information has been transmitted to us has made our day to day exhausting and unbearable, we urgently need concrete answers, and we come together here to demand:

1. to send a payroll with the total amount of the debt owed to each pilot, including the percentage left in February and full debt of March, May and June, including a payment plan for that debt, with dates and amounts

2. to address that no “temporary base assignments” will be accepted until the policy is made clear and contracts respected, as well as salary payment accomplished.

3. to revert payment policies back to the addendum we signed (Dated 18 June, 2020) with no further reductions plus a real compromise for them to be temporary with a fix date for its review.

4. to provide a new payment scheme with NET figures to be paid monthly, no confusing formulas and deductions. Just to be clear, we will not accept gross salary proposal.

You are all experienced people in the Aviation Industry and it’s needless to say that with all that’s been going on, despite our best efforts to maintain the high safety levels of our operations, it is undeniable that such irresponsible attitudes are pushing the safety limits beyond its acceptable boundaries, as crews are flying incredibly stressed with the increasing pressure of an ever changing undefined situation together with the lack of proper payment.
This can be observed by the great increase in safety related events in the past month, with great attention to the large number of safety events just internally published by the company.

The liability of an imminent safety related occurrence of great proportions lies on the hands of such irresponsible actions of all of you, including the Agencies.

For the safety of everyone involved, Company, Vietnamese Aviation Market, our dear passengers and our beloved families, we see no alternative rather than go on unpaid leave in the near future should these four basic demands not be observed.

Being grateful to have a job is in no conflict with looking for what's objectively fair. We think all parts could compromise with better terms, improving in honesty and transparency. As always, we extend to you our commitment to continue working on this project.

Is this the last chance for Bamboo Pilots? Good Luck!!!
Sorry mate, what do you exactly want to achieve posting this in a rumours website? We all know what the situation is, especially in your area.
I honestly think you should leave the aircrafts parked on the apron, and not fly until you see some banknotes...
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 09:32
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Originally Posted by j.nips View Post
I imagine that it's no different over at VJ either.
certainly different, VJ pays its staff monthly and does not change policies retroactively every month.
It is not just a matter of money but mainly of respect for its employees that is totally lacking in BAV since the beginning of its operations.
BAV's managers are well-known smoke sellers short of money because of their well-known attitude


some agencies have paid off part of the February debts but the rest is still a dream. I just hope Bamboo's adventure doesn't end sooner than expected. The Vietnamese market is recovering rapidly and flights are on average full.
Will the behaviour of these characters ever change?
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 09:42
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NO VJ is paying on time employees
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 09:59
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Vietnamese pilots are paid

As far as I understood my friends told me that they have received salary on time by BAV. So avoid any fake comment on that Company.
You are probably out of any aviation job just complaining to a real aviation business
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 12:13
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Vietjet vna and jetstar are paying but peanuts, you could make the same working in Burger king now, its a long way back to normal salaries.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 22:17
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Originally Posted by BAe 146-100 View Post
Vietjet vna and jetstar are paying but peanuts, you could make the same working in Burger king now, its a long way back to normal salaries.

Yes, but better to be flying and still employed for when things do improve!
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Old 18th Jul 2020, 11:22
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Originally Posted by Besana View Post
We are talking about expats not locals. Who cares about the locals. Along as we get Pinoys get paid.
of course Sir Neil eLIEzer , still living off cadet money?

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