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Hainan Airlines
I have noticed the banner on here advertising Hainan Airlines based anywhere they fly into and 305K net a year. I’m a UK based A320 skipper with a family and this seems almost too good to be true. I have researched on here Chinese airlines and culture (one potential stopper for me is I don’t think I could stand cigarette smoke in the flight deck if this still goes on?) and looked st the very limited info on Hainan. Can anybody advise me the latest please?
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I have noticed the banner on here advertising Hainan Airlines based anywhere they fly into and 305K net a year. I’m a UK based A320 skipper with a family and this seems almost too good to be true. I have researched on here Chinese airlines and culture (one potential stopper for me is I don’t think I could stand cigarette smoke in the flight deck if this still goes on?) and looked st the very limited info on Hainan. Can anybody advise me the latest please?
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You will potentially suck up some 2nd hand smoke while flying with an instructor during your initial qualification and annual checks. But the FOs don't smoke if they knew you don't smoke. That said, there is supposedly such a thing as 3rd hand smoke, meaning all the nicotine particles being stored in the fabrics etc and re-released into the air (think cockpit, car rides, and hotel rooms). The $300K USD net is true though.
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Thanks for the info, their doesn’t seem to be too much recent feedback on working for Hainan or selection. Also any british expats out there how does tax work as it says Chinese tax is paid but does the british HMRC still come after some as it would be 50% with those sums which then makes it not worthwhile.
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Looks like more evidence all is not well at HNA...
https://www.ft.com/content/bcedf80c-...d-73e3d454535d
https://www.ft.com/content/bcedf80c-...d-73e3d454535d
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If you aren't and are paying tax at source of employment I'm led to believe that no tax is due in the UK
I suppose it would depend where you are resident . If you are a UK resident, as defined in the RDR3 doc
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...dence-test-srt
then you would have to declare your worldwide income to HMRC and pay any difference. I can only assume that historically people may well have forgotten to declare, however, since Jan 2016, China and the UK/EU have automatic information sharing and I would suggest not declaring it to HMRC could lead to a world of hurt in the future.
Same would go for those resident in the EU, unless you were on a scheme something along the lines as Portugal’s NHR scheme.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...dence-test-srt
then you would have to declare your worldwide income to HMRC and pay any difference. I can only assume that historically people may well have forgotten to declare, however, since Jan 2016, China and the UK/EU have automatic information sharing and I would suggest not declaring it to HMRC could lead to a world of hurt in the future.
Same would go for those resident in the EU, unless you were on a scheme something along the lines as Portugal’s NHR scheme.
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I suppose it would depend where you are resident . If you are a UK resident, as defined in the RDR3 doc
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...dence-test-srt
then you would have to declare your worldwide income to HMRC and pay any difference. I can only assume that historically people may well have forgotten to declare, however, since Jan 2016, China and the UK/EU have automatic information sharing and I would suggest not declaring it to HMRC could lead to a world of hurt in the future.
Same would go for those resident in the EU, unless you were on a scheme something along the lines as Portugal’s NHR scheme.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...dence-test-srt
then you would have to declare your worldwide income to HMRC and pay any difference. I can only assume that historically people may well have forgotten to declare, however, since Jan 2016, China and the UK/EU have automatic information sharing and I would suggest not declaring it to HMRC could lead to a world of hurt in the future.
Same would go for those resident in the EU, unless you were on a scheme something along the lines as Portugal’s NHR scheme.
If declaring China as residency for a 3 yr contract, tax is paid, you notify HMRC that you are no longer a UK tax resident and prove so via the new test system then there is no tax payable to HMRC on your return.
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Thanks for the info, it’s a shame the pay isn’t net including UK taxes, I wouldn’t be resident in China. Any comparisons lately between Hainan and China southern? I see they do a reserve roster out of LHR.
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Yes but the tax thing goes for all of these commuting contracts.
Obviously if you’re commuting then you’re liable for taxes in your country, there’s no way around it. Unless you move your residency and spend less than 180 days etc but still, if you have a family back in Europe then good luck proving you’ not liable.
I’d say it’s worth it for someone looking for a family adventure and to get out of Europe, or if you have a brilliant plan with 3/4 residencies around the world to suit the purporse. Otherwise to be honest I don’t see the advantage considering half the salary (in dollars) will go to the taxman.
Obviously if you’re commuting then you’re liable for taxes in your country, there’s no way around it. Unless you move your residency and spend less than 180 days etc but still, if you have a family back in Europe then good luck proving you’ not liable.
I’d say it’s worth it for someone looking for a family adventure and to get out of Europe, or if you have a brilliant plan with 3/4 residencies around the world to suit the purporse. Otherwise to be honest I don’t see the advantage considering half the salary (in dollars) will go to the taxman.
You have to remember that to qualify for non residence tax status you have to be out of the UK for the whole tax year apart from your 180 days allowance. If you go or come back within the tax year you are liable for that year's taxes.
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Dual Taxation Agreement
As I understand it, UK and PRC have a dual taxation agreement in place. Assuming your employer in China pays ALL your taxes, as they promise to, and a certificate is issued to that effect, you will not be liable to UK tax on your Chinese salary even as a UK resident.
Think carefully before joining Hainan due to their current financial problems. Rumours of some agencies not being able to pay their pilots, Airbus stopping further deliveries as well. Hopefully they are "too big to fail" and it gets sorted out.
China Southern may be a better option at the moment.
China Southern may be a better option at the moment.
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As mentioned, if your Chinese airline pays ALL tax in China then there wont be an issue in UK as the overall tax rates in China are very similar to UK and as such no top up required. The issue is finding out whether the airline you are moving to pays full tax before committing as otherwise you will get an unwelcome tax bill.
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Think carefully before joining Hainan due to their current financial problems. Rumours of some agencies not being able to pay their pilots, Airbus stopping further deliveries as well. Hopefully they are "too big to fail" and it gets sorted out.
China Southern may be a better option at the moment.
China Southern may be a better option at the moment.
I'm not saying that working in China or for Hainan Airlines specifically is without risk, but IMHO it's worth it and you're getting rewarded for it handsomely. Picking a reputable Agency and sufficient LoL Insurance etc are a very important part of that.
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Thanks for the info lots of of ‘food for thought’ I think the next step is to speak to Longreach about selection etc and contact HMRC to clarify the tax position as it just wouldn’t be worth it otherwise. I know it’s 20K a month for a reason. Its no brainier one has no job or is unhappy but leaving somewhere you enjoy is difficult but 20K a month is life changing! Any opinions on which carrier is a better place to be reserve roster UK with CSA or uk commuting base Hainan?