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Old 25th Jul 2018, 19:45
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My lot issue a tax cert. in English declaring all taxes are fully paid in China. And no smoking on my FD.
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 07:51
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Someone DM'ed me with questions regarding the Hainan Contract but unfortunately I can't message back, because their "mailbox is full". Please resolve that and I will be happy to assist.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 06:56
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Not for everyone, but I really enjoy it! Smoking not a huge issue very few guys do, but there are still some 😝, there will be less and less! Best job I have ever had, and things are getting better all the time. Patience required, tougher for those with young families as weekly rosters, and a little tough to get “all” your extra vacation days, but many do get back-back leave even in the middle of summer. If your fleet flies to your base (home), they will do their best to roster you those flights!
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Old 10th Aug 2018, 03:25
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I’d also be careful relying on HMRC for tax advice. Much better to pay a tax lawyer that specialises in expats. A consultation would only cost a few hundred quid but would save you hundreds of thousands potentially.
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Old 15th Aug 2018, 17:43
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Thanks for the advice and glad to see one positive post although I get the idea how shit it is flying there hence the pay. I’ll speak to a tax adviser reference living in UK and paying Chinese tax as they have a dual taxation agreement and I’m enjoying reading ‘flying upside down’. The only thing worrying about this is the thought of being fired having left a good job 😱
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 07:19
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That’s the biggest issue in China from what I have heard. The potential to fail a medical, fail a sim and then what?

Sure most get on just fine, it’s personal at times.

As I say to people unless you can afford to be out of a job or no pay for six months choose wisely.

Yes it’s playing devils advicate and worse case scenarios.

On the flip side, it all works out and your pocketing 20 large a month.
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Old 25th Aug 2018, 08:54
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How does the commuting contract actually work? Do they allow a travel day to get to China to start? Or does your roster start you from your commuting base?
I’ve heard there’s quite a few fines / withheld safety bonus for minor stuff - is this the case?

What is life actually like for a commuting expat Capt at Hainan?

Thanks in advance
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 22:07
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330 captain

Hello fellow aviators.
Im an A320 captain looking to join Hainan.
I got a couple of questions regarding commute, salary,china housing among others.
If there is anyone out there who is currently working at Hainan who can help me out please let me know.
Thank you.

Luis
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 17:52
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Can someone tell me what percentage Chinese income tax the airlines pay on these contracts. I have a feeling I would be liable to pay the difference to HMRC if it was less than UK tax (which it probably is) as I would still be classed as UK resident (commuting). UK tax is going to be 50%.

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Old 15th Sep 2018, 07:12
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Hello Gents,

trying to gather some infos regarding Hainan B787 11consecutive off days pattern.

What is life like for a commuting expat Capt at Hainan?
Pro and Cons?

Thanks in advance
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Old 16th Sep 2018, 13:41
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Can anyone advise which areas in Beijing expats are living? am trying to do some costings etc on houses/apartments and need to know what areas to compare. also interested in Camelonglides question as well...
Thanks in advance
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 15:22
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For those who want to know something about commuting contract in HNA, there are 2 options (8 day off & 11days off)

On 11 days off contract, the life is not bad 19 days ON/ 11 days OFF. If you add some days from annual leave, it becomes 17 days ON/13 days OFF. Now, looks like better

About taxes, what I’ve heard is around 30-35%, but really don’t know because it doesn’t affect me. If I know the exactly figure in the future, I’ll let you know.

Cost living in Beijing, close to airport in new compound, 2 bedrooms around 7-8000 RMB

Cheers
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 08:52
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So they are not currently offering month on month off or two weeks on two weeks off?
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 14:29
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Originally Posted by Mof View Post
For those who want to know something about commuting contract in HNA, there are 2 options (8 day off & 11days off)

On 11 days off contract, the life is not bad 19 days ON/ 11 days OFF. If you add some days from annual leave, it becomes 17 days ON/13 days OFF. Now, looks like better

About taxes, what I’ve heard is around 30-35%, but really don’t know because it doesn’t affect me. If I know the exactly figure in the future, I’ll let you know.

Cost living in Beijing, close to airport in new compound, 2 bedrooms around 7-8000 RMB

Cheers
What does the schedule look like when you're in China? How many of those 19 or 22 days on are you working and how many do you get off? If you choose the Resident option how many days off a month do you normally get? Are they lots of single days or usually in blocks of 2? 3? 4?
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 07:39
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Usually the pattern is 4 days ON/ 1-2 days OFF (at least 36 hrs). What it means on a 11 days OFF contract is 11+5-6 days off per month. Also when choose the resident option is the same than commuting. nothing change
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 12:13
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Originally Posted by Mof View Post
Usually the pattern is 4 days ON/ 1-2 days OFF (at least 36 hrs). What it means on a 11 days OFF contract is 11+5-6 days off per month. Also when choose the resident option is the same than commuting. nothing change
Thanks. for the 4 days on are you away the whole time or will you often spend the night at your base? Are there many working days where you will finish work early in the day, before noon, or start in the evening and therefore still get most of the day at home either before or after work?
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Old 4th Oct 2018, 02:13
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Hi Guys,

I am looking at joining Hainan Airlines but have heard a lot of scary stories about China in general. Just want more info from fellow skippers to make an educated decision.
I am planning to base my family in Oz as the Mrs would be happy there and commute. I like the money they are offering, but with a young family I would like to know if its stable too?
How are they to work for? I can see that they have stopped month on month off, is this true? Also, am I able to combine my annual leave with the commuting days off?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 00:40
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Any ideas about accommodation in Beijing or where the expat areas are? Shared accom is okay.
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 04:21
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Taxes. Rember taxes! If you’re going to live anywhere else than China it is safe to divide any salary you see advertised by 2 to get the net figure. Just saying
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 13:27
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
Taxes. Rember taxes! If you’re going to live anywhere else than China it is safe to divide any salary you see advertised by 2 to get the net figure. Just saying
They have stopped the month on month off so anyone starting there now will be living in China for tax purposes.
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