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Jet Airways Pilots Refuse to Fly with Expats

Old 16th Dec 2017, 11:53
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My experience–five years of flying with Jet Airways pilots–is that as a group, I have never come across a bigger bunch of racist liars in my life. So much so that I kept a diary of the stories that amazed me most. Stories from 23-year-olds with 20,000 hours of flying experience to 50-year-old first officers who were actually billionaires and didn't want a command and were just flying for fun. Reading some of that stuff now is almost embarrassing.
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 12:28
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Originally Posted by Bonway View Post
My experience–five years of flying with Jet Airways pilots–is that as a group, I have never come across a bigger bunch of racist liars in my life. So much so that I kept a diary of the stories that amazed me most. Stories from 23-year-olds with 20,000 hours of flying experience to 50-year-old first officers who were actually billionaires and didn't want a command and were just flying for fun. Reading some of that stuff now is almost embarrassing.
Care to share some more for our entertainment ?
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 13:00
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Yes please do, can't wait to hear these stories !

I know of an Indian bloke that faked his atpl from Canada, back then the Canadian license was just a piece of paper
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 16:50
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After reading his account of the incident he had every right to ask her to get the hell out of the airplane

Totally agree, I also think removing it until he had time to remove those things was the right way to go, reading all the posts and his statement one felt that a lot of the anti sentiment on here was being driven by one person that was not present at the time and those that were collaborated his actions.


To the pilot concerned, I feel for you and for you to show your side of the story on here is / was an honest and praiseworthy example of your character and one hopes you can put this episode behind you as you move on.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 08:26
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I was sitting in a class at the beginning of a TTT course for new TRI's on the Boeing fleet. The usual introductions went around the class. One feller explained that he'd come from Air India and that he had been a trainer and examiner there on the Boeing 747 for 20 years plus. There were two other lads from Air India in the class (one of them whose father had been the B747 Chief Pilot) and they both, rather puzzled and never having met him, asked him when he'd been there and when he'd graduated from the training academy and more. Turn's out your man had never worked for Air India and couldn't exactly explain where he had come from.

A couple of weeks later it was confirmed (both at the licensing office and at Air India) that he had come to the company with a work-of-fiction resume. He had been a first officer at Kingfisher and had been fired from there for failing too many proficiency checks.

That man is still a Boeing 777 captain today.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 03:07
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It really goes to show you that these modern planes are fairly easy to fly as long as you carry enough fuel and use some common sense.When I was in XXXX for around 12 years flying big jets, I was astounded by the huge number of fake Captains there.You name it, they had it.Fake medicals fake licences fake hours, the list is very long.The worst was one Canadian who was a 747 Captain, but it turned out that although he was a very intelligent individual he was previously a simulator technician with no flying hours at all, however late at night he would spend hundreds and hundreds of hours in the SIM teaching himself how to fly it.He would often watch regular crews during the day then practice what he had seen later at night.Armed with a fake ATPL he had no trouble joining XXXX as a line Capt then later a TRI.......
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 07:34
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Armed with a fake ATPL he had no trouble joining XXXX as a line Capt then later a TRI.......
Presumably, since you knew his license was fake, you have notified the applicable authority as I did in the case mentioned above.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 08:36
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I didnt myself but others did and no action was taken.Go figure.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 01:28
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My experience with 9W was that the flight crew were most enjoyable company. They were much more inclusive than other airlines that I have had the pleasure to operate in. Within their training department they had some excellent instructors, arguably one or two of the best I have ever encountered. A curiosity was that the best were almost invariably Zoroastrians. The operation had its issues, but it was certainly cleaner than some others flopping around the world in big twins and other types. Occasionally, I still get to the Plough on a visit to blighty, and there are friendly faces there.

Unions protecting their own turf is part of their task, they would be remiss to not do so, but the pace of development of the airlines challenge many countries in manning the fleets that are needed.

I was aware of the stories of P-51 qualifications when I started, but I never operated with any crew that raised concerns. More recent reports from the region raise eyebrows. However, having observed the IDGCA in a period where the US had downgraded the country to Cat 2 status, I was impressed with the tolerance of the FAA and the US DoS. IDGCA Delhi was an eye opener of a visit, much moreso than CAAC was. The takeaway observation was infrastructure development in India and China is occurring in spite of the regulatory oversight, and the input by the respective governments into that part of the industry as a strategic component of their future.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 02:23
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...I mostly second you on that...
However I had the two worst cases ever of cockpit indispline in my career in there...it was REALLY disturbing.
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