SIN ATC
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Really? As someone who flies through China as a pilot and occasionally gets to SIN (once every 3 months), I can say that SIN is not the worse. What exactly has been your experience there that you are complaining about? Specifics help in these situations.
Singapore is perfect, no problem la. Even better if you are local carrier la. Local tell me la. No problem la. Singlish good la.
Emirates turn left right 030 la, decrease speed 190 kts la
Singapore XXX direct to yyy la silkair sss increase speed 270 kts la
Qantas turn right 180 decrease speed 180 kts la
Singapore MMM no speed restrictions
Its a circus for anyone that is not a local carrier.
Emirates turn left right 030 la, decrease speed 190 kts la
Singapore XXX direct to yyy la silkair sss increase speed 270 kts la
Qantas turn right 180 decrease speed 180 kts la
Singapore MMM no speed restrictions
Its a circus for anyone that is not a local carrier.
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
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Had ten years of SIN ATC - swh, suggest when you have time you go into ATC and see for yourself, your little post here is tosh, but I suspect you know that?
SWH, you are completely mistaken.
ATC here is not the best but has certainly, in my time over the last 5 years here, improved markedly. They have an arrivals coordinator who may well try and slot an SIA ahead of you, but they are looking bigger picture to the overall arrival timings. If he is 30 mins late, they will try and expedite him to make the schedule closer.
If you are early, likewise you can expect to be slowed down/vectored to allow others who are late to make up the schedule
ATC here is not the best but has certainly, in my time over the last 5 years here, improved markedly. They have an arrivals coordinator who may well try and slot an SIA ahead of you, but they are looking bigger picture to the overall arrival timings. If he is 30 mins late, they will try and expedite him to make the schedule closer.
If you are early, likewise you can expect to be slowed down/vectored to allow others who are late to make up the schedule
Having operated in the region for over twelve years I can assure everyone that they are far from the worst around here. Arrivals and departures are handled extremely well when multiple thunderstorms are around, something that doesn't happen elsewhere. I have no complaints about them.
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very busy airport during this festive season, they may not give you good vectors some of the time, but they do most of the time
the third runway is very much needed with such traffic load
the third runway is very much needed with such traffic load
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Still one of the best in the world, but.... definitely a notch down from their highs during the 80's and 90's. Then, they were a class act in the mould of HKG and Heathrow.
Perhaps its the high traffic density in the limited airspace boxed in by Malaysia and Indonesia.
Perhaps its the high traffic density in the limited airspace boxed in by Malaysia and Indonesia.
In my experience, Sing ATC are not great at being efficient. They tend to over control and are not great with the use of speed control - keeping aircraft fast but vectoring them around the sky in random patterns. The biggest thing that ticked me off in 8 years there is they are unable to say "sorry", preferring to make their error look like yours 😀
Only two gripes....Please introduce PDC! It's a shambles getting clearance at peak times. And..
When there are 10+ waiting to depart on centre runway, why not have all arrivals on 02L/20R?
halas
When there are 10+ waiting to depart on centre runway, why not have all arrivals on 02L/20R?
halas
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I was told that 02C/20C would be made available for arrivals when there is congestion with airborne arrival traffic to the extent that holding would be more than 15 minutes. So arrivals have higher priority in this sense to help ease airborne congestion. Usually at certain times of the day you see this, or when a thunderstorm has just blown over.
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You have to fly into KUL to be grateful. 3 runways, 2 with ILS, with no arrival at 32R they will still cram every low co into 33 which is 24/7 in mixed mode operations.
And worst is they dont even accomodate wind change. Reason given controller in Subang Center still find it acceptable and to minimize airspace congestion due to close proximity to SZB. I bet they havent been to Singapore to see how congested and small the airspace is.
No problem with SIN controller. Easily the better ones around this region
And worst is they dont even accomodate wind change. Reason given controller in Subang Center still find it acceptable and to minimize airspace congestion due to close proximity to SZB. I bet they havent been to Singapore to see how congested and small the airspace is.
No problem with SIN controller. Easily the better ones around this region
It is an issue when trying to get out on time. Often it takes 4 or 5 mins to get the clearance after calling for it and sometimes it is given immediately. So you call 5 mins before trying to anticipate only to get it immediately and then have it cancelled as you're about to push. Then it's back to Clearance Delivery but this time it takes a few minutes...😳
Late descent clearances
I often fly into Singapore from the north, usually Saigon. I have noticed on many occasions, that our initial descent requires speed-brakes for an extended period.
Is this normal and is there an airspace issue that requires this?
Is this normal and is there an airspace issue that requires this?
