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Old 2nd Jul 2016, 08:59
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And the other one, MOMO?
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Old 2nd Jul 2016, 10:03
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Month On / Month Off Roster.

Still being finalised.
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Old 11th Jul 2016, 17:45
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One thing to bear in mind vis-a-vis the MOMO roster. It sounds like CSN will probably do it right, but make sure the language reflects that you will have a MINIMUM of 30 days OFF (or whatever the number is) at home. Hainan put in a MAX of 28 days OFF and not surprisingly guys discovered that Hainan, true to form, began eroding their time at home because the contract language allowed for it.
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Old 15th Jul 2016, 17:35
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Does anyone know if the MOMO roster can be operated out of the RSP base? Does the company provide a hotel during the month on?

Thanks guys.
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Old 16th Jul 2016, 09:21
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Hi All

Can anybody tell me how long the training (320 to 330)will be and is there a possibility to commute home during that training?

thanks
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Old 16th Jul 2016, 14:00
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Ccq is around 8//10 days...
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Old 16th Jul 2016, 14:03
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Thanks, but i did hear that till your released can take up to a year, is that correct?
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Old 16th Jul 2016, 14:07
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Repulo,

MOMO's actual conditions are yet to be announced but it has been said that it will only be available at CAN, not the RSP's. Also is yet to be announced how much money the company will provide to cover your accommodation during the month on. At present we get $830 a month on a full time contract.


Iamneon,

The actual length of the training varies greatly from fleet to fleet and it's also subject to availability of LTC's, SIM slots, how long the CAAC takes to issue your license, etc... Having said that, the guys who have made the transition from the A320 to the A330 are among the fastest in the system and average about 4-6 months from induction to fully released.

You do have opportunities to go home during your training such as the breaks you get between induction and SIM, or during the time the CAAC takes to issue your license. Then, once the line training starts you get 8 days OFF per month until released to the line.
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Old 16th Jul 2016, 18:29
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hi 737ipa Thanks a lot for all the information, it's very helpful!
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Old 16th Jul 2016, 19:16
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ALOHA ALL,

ANYONE ON B777?
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Old 16th Jul 2016, 19:28
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Thank you 737lpa

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Old 20th Jul 2016, 11:13
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Hi guys.
Just an update for all potential joiners.

We, like all Chinese airlines are constantly having issues with the medical renewal here. Every month if not week, we have guys failing renewal and most of the time for something petty.
Recently we have 2 guys off for 'high' blood pressure. Their limit seems to be 140/90 despite official CAAC paperwork saying 155/95 is the limit.
140/90 sounds ok you probably think.....
When you factor in that most guys going for medical here have 'white coat syndrome' due to the high pressure and stress they put you under here then 140/90 can be quite hard to meet.
'White coat' can put your systolic up immediately by about 15 mm HG so that means that your 'normal' reading needs to be in the region of 125 to get through.
That and imaginary kidney stones also catch alot of guys out. That can take 3 months to 'fix' or to get the correct person to review your file.....

Anyway during all this time you drop to 100USD per day even if the 'failure' turns out to be incorrect!! No reimbursement of lost pay. Imaginary kidney stones prime example.........

Just wanted to make you guys aware of this as LOL specific to CAAC medical is very hard to find.

Many many Chinese Airlines still pay you full or slightly reduced pay after a medical failure and not 15% salary like here.

Cheers all,
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 02:36
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Hi guys.
Just an update for all potential joiners.

We, like all Chinese airlines are constantly having issues with the medical renewal here. Every month if not week, we have guys failing renewal and most of the time for something petty.
Recently we have 2 guys off for 'high' blood pressure. Their limit seems to be 140/90 despite official CAAC paperwork saying 155/95 is the limit.
140/90 sounds ok you probably think.....
When you factor in that most guys going for medical here have 'white coat syndrome' due to the high pressure and stress they put you under here then 140/90 can be quite hard to meet.
'White coat' can put your systolic up immediately by about 15 mm HG so that means that your 'normal' reading needs to be in the region of 125 to get through.
That and imaginary kidney stones also catch alot of guys out. That can take 3 months to 'fix' or to get the correct person to review your file.....

Anyway during all this time you drop to 100USD per day even if the 'failure' turns out to be incorrect!! No reimbursement of lost pay. Imaginary kidney stones prime example.........

Just wanted to make you guys aware of this as LOL specific to CAAC medical is very hard to find.

Many many Chinese Airlines still pay you full or slightly reduced pay after a medical failure and not 15% salary like here.

Cheers all,
FWIW, it sounds like the CAAC Southern region standards and CSA policy are indeed more stringent than elsewhere.

When I was at CA we went through a period of medical terrorization by the CA doctors (CA has its own hospital) similar to the above, but after a re-organization they've toned it down a bit and there are fewer failures. CA was not as draconian as CSA, but they would stop pay once your medical had expired and you'd burned off your days off and vacation owing.

Fo those with BP problems the worst part was that the option of using a BP medication to manage the situation was pretty much off the table as it would require a min of 2 weeks off duty for twice daily observation in hospital followed by tests and etc before a medication could be approved and a medical certificate could be issued. Unpaid, natch. We were strongly advised not to go this route. 7 years of that sort of treatment left a mark and I now do have a high BP and a healthy dose of white coat syndrome to boot, which only makes matters worse.

Imagine my surprise then when I did my first medical at the CAAC Eastern region hospital for CES (China Eastern) and was told "We think you've been suffering from long term elevated BP. Please start taking medication for it. Here's your medical certificate and see you in 6 months." At the next medical nothing more was said other than "Are you taking medication? Which one? Your BP is normal, see you in 6 months."

They do look you over pretty carefully at the CAAC Eastern region hospital, but they appear to be a lot more sensible in how they deal with things. Stress wise it's quite a difference from CA and northern region.

Same goes for CES the company. They've been helpful and supportive when guys have run into problems. Cutting off pay has not been their first course of action at all.

Cheers,

ELAC
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Old 12th Sep 2016, 16:43
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B777

Just an update for any curious applicants out there.

Rumour has it that B777 EU RSP slots are now all full wef course starting in November.

Obviously everyone is joining for different reasons but if your idea is to join on the Boeing fleet for an eventual EU RSP then you're probably best to explore the 787 avenue.

Be very careful what the agents tell you as a lot of them will tell you whatever you want to hear in order to sucker you in.

That info is as of today directly from B777 office.

Cheers all,
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Old 11th Oct 2016, 07:03
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Hello everybody..thanks for sharing!!

As I might be invited for the CSA NTR 777 Captain position (currently FO 777-200 ER) ,I’am looking for all that I can recollect on the screening, SiM ,MEDICAL, PHYCOLOGICAL .
Any coments??
Thanks again!!

Last edited by lightchopp; 12th Oct 2016 at 02:02. Reason: Add current position FO B777 200-ER
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 04:52
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Would a job at CSA work if living in Hong Kong and travelling up to CAN for duties ?
I'm A330 and B777 rated.
Don't care if I'm PIC, Cruise Capt, FO, SO, FA as long as I get paid as Capt.
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 10:38
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Originally Posted by AACE View Post
Would a job at CSA work if living in Hong Kong and travelling up to CAN for duties ?
I'm A330 and B777 rated.
Don't care if I'm PIC, Cruise Capt, FO, SO, FA as long as I get paid as Capt.
Cant see any reason why not. You will have a residence/work permit, so travelling wont be a problem.
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 11:47
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So it seems all the Australian bases are full now, so if you join it will be out of CAN. Potentially a few places left in CDG (if you are interested living in France...)

Medicals are for 2 full days (brace brace). Sim is a lottery. ATPL questions not the easiest. So if you make the hurdles then you only have the line training left... which take min 6 months.

Dont get me started on the issue of PIC or not PIC next to a chinese... But the pay is awesome.

Good luck!
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Old 14th Oct 2016, 00:54
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You can only be valid on one type at any given time with the Chinese. If you are currently flying the Airbus, then in all likelihood that is the fleet you will be hired on regardless of your past 777 experience or vice versa. You will be hired as the second Captain which means that you will operate whatever sector the PIC dictates - but then the sector is, for all intents and purposes, yours. They rarely (if ever) intervene as it's a matter of face and they would not want it reciprocated. The only carrier I know that hires 330 Captains as PIC is Air China - there may be others but not China Eastern (I should know).
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Old 14th Oct 2016, 07:43
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...on widebody aircraft. On narrowbodies you would always be PIC, with any carrier, as far as I know. After you're thru line training, that is
Hainan designates foreign captains as PIC on A330 as far as I can see.
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