China Southern wannabes
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How ironic that the place that demands the most in terms of paperwork and red tape dishes out the least when you want to escape. That's what a mate of mine at CSA told me so good luck with getting the escape blurb!
Join Date: Feb 2006
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China is a CLEAR no go area if you are making a concious decission considering basic western freedoms. For example - recently another recruitment company tried to get hold of me, I think run by some spanish pilots for various chinese "airlines", after I made clear some basic WESTERN ground rules the young guy(that is now returning to Europe because he filled his money bucket and most likely as well the other one) told me that China is CLEARLY not for me. I fully agree(he approached me via Linkedin, not the other way around).
IF your are a bitch there is acutally an easier way to make money(sorry about my blunt language), WHY would you need to go for that to China. For all of the other guys here there is no real discussion to go there in the first place. Weird place, weird companies(all of them after all), weird authority(and yes, that says someone from EASA land). There is just no way a western pilot could easily blend into that weird bunch. Of course you could fake it(haven't we done that all ;-) - if not wait till you get a bit older^^ ), but this is just not honest.
I am not judging by any means please, but I was actually thinking about China for a very long time. However, not like most of my collegues, I took the time to read THAT book, investigated further, asked questions(which some of them did not like) to companies AND agencies. And the end this is all just a big "bubble". It MIGHT work out, but there are no warranties. For a pilot this is an unacceptable risk(and least for many of us "old style guys" which have been the airline preference for many decades because it ment we where reliable). It might be different for the NG but that is not my beer anymore.
But again - any western company normally is happy with a reference or a record of employment for the last five(5) years. That's it. No other china crap required. Except - maybe - do not go there. Money is not everything in life. Try to get a hold of that weird perspective
Join Date: Oct 2005
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What I'm saying is, you could now get potentially get up to 14 day trips out of your RSP, come home and have 3 days off then go back for another 7, home for 2, etc all in the same month. At the moment we have 10/11 day trips starting to appear.
A lot of the guys RSP rosters are now down towards the minimum contractual obligation of 8 days off at home, which essentially works out less than the commuting roster, without the advantage of taking it all in one block.
A lot of the guys RSP rosters are now down towards the minimum contractual obligation of 8 days off at home, which essentially works out less than the commuting roster, without the advantage of taking it all in one block.
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Are the rumours true punishments getting outrageous there now?
Ive heard through the grapevine a Foreign Captain on a cargo flight went outside for a toilet break with an upset stomach. Returns 11 mins later and responds to ATC call he hears on return over speakers.
Apparently FO missed all ATC calls while Captain was on the toilet.
Result Captain demoted sent to office 20 days and requires 200hrs seat time training!!!??
Ive heard through the grapevine a Foreign Captain on a cargo flight went outside for a toilet break with an upset stomach. Returns 11 mins later and responds to ATC call he hears on return over speakers.
Apparently FO missed all ATC calls while Captain was on the toilet.
Result Captain demoted sent to office 20 days and requires 200hrs seat time training!!!??
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737 Jock, yes sadly you are correct.
The 777 is in a league of its own .
Several B Captains have been punished for running out of landing currency. The punishment for one poor soul, 13000 USD loss of pay and 3 days in the naughty corner.All because leader captains refuse to give foreigners landings and unfortunately the managers refuse to acknowledge the problem.
777 is to be avoided.
The 777 is in a league of its own .
Several B Captains have been punished for running out of landing currency. The punishment for one poor soul, 13000 USD loss of pay and 3 days in the naughty corner.All because leader captains refuse to give foreigners landings and unfortunately the managers refuse to acknowledge the problem.
777 is to be avoided.
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Flip me sounds like they love their punishments at China Southern. I hope there isn't some kind of unwritten policy to cause trouble for the foreign pilots. There will always be a few trainers in any airline with hidden agendas, seems to be the way of it from my experience.
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Flip me sounds like they love their punishments at China Southern. I hope there isn't some kind of unwritten policy to cause trouble for the foreign pilots. There will always be a few trainers in any airline with hidden agendas, seems to be the way of it from my experience.
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Greetings.
JF
Join Date: Jan 2004
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BTW, punishments are now greatly increased in all Mainland China; it is easy to get a grounding of at least one year; one simulator failure is 6 months as FO. At the beginning of September one crew from Shandong Airlines has landed on the wrong runway coming from a VOR / DMEapproach (!8L instead of 18R): three (3) years grounded.
Greetings.
JF
Greetings.
JF
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CAAC approves more licence issuing states every year but thats not to say that the passport from the newly approved licence state will necessarily be accepted. 2 different things 😩😩😩
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So no more screenings available for B737 or A320 guys apparently.
Only looking for rated B777/787 or A350.
Wonder where they expect to find those guys from......
Perhaps they know something we don’t. HNA suffering financially still so wonder if they expect them to flood the Chinese market with B787 rated pilots.
Only looking for rated B777/787 or A350.
Wonder where they expect to find those guys from......
Perhaps they know something we don’t. HNA suffering financially still so wonder if they expect them to flood the Chinese market with B787 rated pilots.
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