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Old 6th Apr 2017, 10:40
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Join Date: Mar 2015
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Originally Posted by Ugandan View Post
Guys and girls. Be aware. There is no base here other than 20-10 Guangzhou for new joiners. End of story. Anything else your agent has said is either plainly false or loose speculation.

It's a great job, good people to work for and fun. But you are 20-10 gz based and if you are living in Europe after travelling that's 23-7 in reality. Don't come here expecting anything else as you will be miserable. I wish the agents would stop misinforning all of you.
Ha ha ha.........

What an absolute crock of shit.

I wonder which agency posted that.....

Its grindingly depressing. Brutal medicals, being screamed at by maniacs in the simulator, which recently caused one senior and respected captain to resign, no leave confirmed until a few weeks before, constant harassment by management over the smallest things, punishment culture.....f*ck...the list goes on and on....

FUN???? ......perhaps if you had just escaped from Pyongyang.....but not for any sane person.....

Last month, two guys were forced to be grounded because they had a "lightening strike". Even though they didn't fly through one cloud on the route, the engineers found a tiny hole on the nose, so pinned the strike on them.

The managers admitted that they hadn't done it, but someone had to be seen to be punished, so they got 15 days ground school - which involved staring at the walls doing nothing, without pay, as a punishment for a "crime" they did not commit. The sentence was later reduced to 10 days for good behaviour!

FUNNNNNNN
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Old 6th Apr 2017, 15:01
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There's a reason why the $$$ are in China - and it's NOT all about a simplistic "pilot shortage" crap that so many trot out.

For the vast minority who "strike it lucky" and have a good run all kudos to them, right place/right time and the universe aligning etc etc.

For the vast majority - just another bucket of "sh*t Vs $$$" exercise.

However the quaint way the locals view "modern" aviation would have to be frustrating at times!

Good luck to those who have a go at the "Chinese aviation lottery"!!

Cheers.
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 06:41
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Hi everyone.

20-10 is the only option available to any new-comer, do not let anyone tell you otherwise. We are ALL based in Guangzhou, some just happen to have a reverse roster, this roster can change. If you are coming here, you are coming to china. Get that clear in your head first.

More concerning however, is the medical. If you get sick (I'm talking not being able to come to work sick) you will be FINED 600 dollars a day. We had one guy contract pneumonia and he lost 26000 dollars. If you fail an official medical you go on 100 dollars a day. Worth thinking about. We don't seem to be making any headway on this issue.

I like the job, and the people here. I'm staying but I am constantly afraid something like this may happen to me. We also have had an unusually high rate of bursting appendixes (is that the correct word) and said persons have gone straight to 100 a day. Your medical loss cover will NOT cover you if you are perfectly healthy remember, and we have had medical fails where the guy cant claim as there's nothing wrong with him. Beware of the risks before you join. So far it has worked out perfectly for me and its going well, I really like it. But others haven't had such a sweet ride. I'm just trying to get facts out there, no opinion or bitterness or attitude.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 22:01
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Horse sh*t

There are no fines if you are sick. Period.

You have a certain amount of sick days per year. If you exceed them, then you will be deducted pay per day you are sick, but you will NOT be fined!!!

Stop sending out this bullshit info thanks

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Old 17th Apr 2017, 23:35
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Fine or. Being deducted a day's pay are about the same ! It's cash they take away!
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 13:00
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It most certainly is not horse sh&t. This happened to an individual who came down with pneumonia whilst at home in oz. please ask your colleagues if what I say is correct and come back on here and post your response.
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Old 18th Apr 2017, 20:26
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Originally Posted by blueonblue View Post
It most certainly is not horse sh&t. This happened to an individual who came down with pneumonia whilst at home in oz. please ask your colleagues if what I say is correct and come back on here and post your response.
It's partly true. If you fall sick then you are able to use your sick/AL days together with your contractual days 'off' to cover the time you are away from work.
If you are off longer than this then you will be fined/deducted pay whatever you want to call it. How they work this out nobody really understands but it seems to be your daily pay rate deducted then the same again as a fine. Nice eh........

It's safe to say that the atmosphere in this place has dramatically gone down hill in the last few months. The reason for this is unknown but it is being felt by nearly everyone I talk too here at the moment.
As Chinafly stated earlier, guys are being dealt medieval punishments for things they didn't even do. Everyone is now looking over their shoulder in fear of...............everything!!

You will never feel relaxed here. Worried about medicals, checkers that hate foreign pilots, someone finding a mark on the aircraft you flew and grounding you for 15 days without pay etc etc. The list goes on.

As has been mentioned many many times here. Think long and hard why you are coming here and if you have another option then..................

Cheers,

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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 10:14
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Not very encouraging to read all these post! CSA was one my two options to escape the Middle East but it seems neither CSA nor KAL are what we are sold on the Roadshows. I guess I better stay where I am now and roast myself in 50+ degrees Celsius.
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Old 15th May 2017, 12:39
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Any recent update on the MOMO options? thanks
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Old 15th May 2017, 23:13
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What's the best agency to be contracted with?
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Old 16th May 2017, 00:49
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I hear GABS is good...
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Old 20th May 2017, 22:32
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Any news about the assessments? I heard the pass rate is very very low especially for 737 skippers....not even reaching 20%.
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Old 23rd May 2017, 08:38
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I heard that recurent checks are failing a lot of guys. Is there a problem now with the chinese instructors?
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Old 24th May 2017, 07:41
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Originally Posted by snak View Post
I heard the pass rate is very very low especially for 737 skippers.....

I heard that recurent checks are failing a lot of guys.
Jeez where you guys hear all this stuff ......
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Old 24th May 2017, 09:53
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Originally Posted by doniedarko View Post
Jeez where you guys hear all this stuff ......

Well wherever they do their sources are pretty accurate 😜

Pass rate on 737 is about 20% apparently at the moment so not exactly what you would call 'high' i guess.

Guys are indeed failing recurrent sims aswell recently. 2 guys made down to FO after sim failure.........totally ridiculous when you hear what for 😫😫😫😫

Dont forget the LCK failures aswell though. A guy on 787 apparently failed recently for crossing the threshold at 60'. I mean come on seriously...........
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Old 24th May 2017, 15:38
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Originally Posted by mach85 View Post
Well wherever they do their sources are pretty accurate 😜

Pass rate on 737 is about 20% apparently at the moment so not exactly what you would call 'high' i guess.

Guys are indeed failing recurrent sims aswell recently. 2 guys made down to FO after sim failure.........totally ridiculous when you hear what for 😫😫😫😫

Dont forget the LCK failures aswell though. A guy on 787 apparently failed recently for crossing the threshold at 60'. I mean come on seriously...........
IF this is true, how is this allowed to happen? How can a company with this kind of training fly (internationally!) ??
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Old 25th May 2017, 20:55
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I did the interview some time back on 330. depends what you consider a pass rate. Sim we had about 30 percent FULL pass on 330 and 25 on 737. this also included the ATPL and the Medical. was just less then 50 percent on the sim portion.
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Old 26th May 2017, 14:10
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Failing a sim ride assessed by Chinese is probably a good thing. Means your a good operator. I wouldn't let them push a shopping trolley.
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 13:03
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wide body takeoffs and landings? 3/4 a month max, a320 maybe 40! 10 times as much exposure to the naughty boy QAR system and a 3000 usd fine, next contract i am going to try for the 330 easy life
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 09:07
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Do you knon if cz provide id 90 and zed with other airline?
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