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HI Uplink!
1. You can not choose what aircraft you are going to, ist all about current recency and experience.
2. Yes 9 days OFF in a row, plus vacation days. Back to back is possible but Need approval and they provide it as far as I know (never did it so far)
3. Training, yes is a mess but once ist over the Job is ok.
4. You can split your days OFF, but they will provide only 1travel/month to your home. So on you will have to use your own ticket during other blocks of OFF days. Also the 3 travel days are given only 1/month.
5. expect around 75 hrs average /month; usually 3 Long flights and 1 short flight as an average (talking about 777)
6. Sit in economy: NEVER!!! Ists Business as per contract, if Business is full ist gonna be first calss
7.no matter what Destination you are commuting, ist all the same
8. All done through agencies, I am with CCL, all fine
9.on the 777 we have round 38PAX and 5 Freighters.
10. turmarounds; yes maybe 1 every 2 month as an average
11. Family tickets: 4 confirmed/per year/each Family member (no age Limit for children) plus ZED Tickets (NO jumpseat possible on KAL).
Hope that helps
Cheers
1. You can not choose what aircraft you are going to, ist all about current recency and experience.
2. Yes 9 days OFF in a row, plus vacation days. Back to back is possible but Need approval and they provide it as far as I know (never did it so far)
3. Training, yes is a mess but once ist over the Job is ok.
4. You can split your days OFF, but they will provide only 1travel/month to your home. So on you will have to use your own ticket during other blocks of OFF days. Also the 3 travel days are given only 1/month.
5. expect around 75 hrs average /month; usually 3 Long flights and 1 short flight as an average (talking about 777)
6. Sit in economy: NEVER!!! Ists Business as per contract, if Business is full ist gonna be first calss
7.no matter what Destination you are commuting, ist all the same
8. All done through agencies, I am with CCL, all fine
9.on the 777 we have round 38PAX and 5 Freighters.
10. turmarounds; yes maybe 1 every 2 month as an average
11. Family tickets: 4 confirmed/per year/each Family member (no age Limit for children) plus ZED Tickets (NO jumpseat possible on KAL).
Hope that helps
Cheers
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69, great post.
There is a large number in the ME that are looking elsewhere.
Couple of questions.
How offen do you go above 75 hrs ie overtime?
Bunk time/ Augment time count towards the 75 ?
Thanks
There is a large number in the ME that are looking elsewhere.
Couple of questions.
How offen do you go above 75 hrs ie overtime?
Bunk time/ Augment time count towards the 75 ?
Thanks
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Fatbus,
In 4 years I have been here I did overtime twice. Chances of you doing overtime are slim to none and main reason for it is factoring system that KAL uses. In every flight you are either P1 or P2, you will alternate as a P1 or P2 for multiple sectors. For example if you are P1 for ICN ORD, you will be P2 ORD ICN. For P1 sectors you will get 100% pay, for P2 you will get either 50% (for two sets) or 2/3 (for three pilots)
Since you are on the fatbus, right now you have very limited destinations, ATL JFK, LAX, AND CDG. However, there are rumors that 380 will be flying to SYD and BKK soon.
UPLINK,
You will never travel Econ always C or if not available J. The family tickets are Y (they call it X) class subject to load on C class. Again in 4 years my family has always traveled in C but once when C was sold out. If you are joining as First Officer than your family tickets are not upgradable to business, only economy class passes.
As Ocean said in theory it is possible to take back to back days off. You need prior approval for that and the management gives approval only for emergency reasons. So you cannot count on getting it every other month. Having said that you choose your days off and company will build schedule around it. In 4 years I have not missed a single birthday, thanksgiving, Christmas, or any other occasion that requires me to be at home.
Any other questions drop me a pm.
In 4 years I have been here I did overtime twice. Chances of you doing overtime are slim to none and main reason for it is factoring system that KAL uses. In every flight you are either P1 or P2, you will alternate as a P1 or P2 for multiple sectors. For example if you are P1 for ICN ORD, you will be P2 ORD ICN. For P1 sectors you will get 100% pay, for P2 you will get either 50% (for two sets) or 2/3 (for three pilots)
Since you are on the fatbus, right now you have very limited destinations, ATL JFK, LAX, AND CDG. However, there are rumors that 380 will be flying to SYD and BKK soon.
UPLINK,
You will never travel Econ always C or if not available J. The family tickets are Y (they call it X) class subject to load on C class. Again in 4 years my family has always traveled in C but once when C was sold out. If you are joining as First Officer than your family tickets are not upgradable to business, only economy class passes.
As Ocean said in theory it is possible to take back to back days off. You need prior approval for that and the management gives approval only for emergency reasons. So you cannot count on getting it every other month. Having said that you choose your days off and company will build schedule around it. In 4 years I have not missed a single birthday, thanksgiving, Christmas, or any other occasion that requires me to be at home.
Any other questions drop me a pm.
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Desipilot,
just a brief explanation of the factoring pay;
how you state it is not correct.
P1 or P2 does not matter, but bunk time is considered DH time (totaly stupid I know) and therefore counts only half towards your paytime.
In fact that means on double crew sectors your paytime is 75% of flight time and on 3 pilot sectors paytime is 83.3%.
Hope it helps,
Tom
just a brief explanation of the factoring pay;
how you state it is not correct.
P1 or P2 does not matter, but bunk time is considered DH time (totaly stupid I know) and therefore counts only half towards your paytime.
In fact that means on double crew sectors your paytime is 75% of flight time and on 3 pilot sectors paytime is 83.3%.
Hope it helps,
Tom
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Training Time
Hi KAL Pilots,
I'm looking at applying for KAL and doing a self-funded CCQ from A320 to A330. I have spent the last three years as a PIC on the A320.
Can anyone give me an accurate indication of training time for an A330 DEC turning up with a fresh CCQ (sufficient PIC hours on A320) to check to line?
Is it possible to get home at all during the training period?
Any advice appreciated.
Cheers
Wookie
I'm looking at applying for KAL and doing a self-funded CCQ from A320 to A330. I have spent the last three years as a PIC on the A320.
Can anyone give me an accurate indication of training time for an A330 DEC turning up with a fresh CCQ (sufficient PIC hours on A320) to check to line?
Is it possible to get home at all during the training period?
Any advice appreciated.
Cheers
Wookie
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Not quite true - a minority of agencies do have T&C's on the website, the majority do not....they want/prefer you to join their "database" before they give the info.
If you do find an agency with info the T&C's will be very similar for all - there may be some variable add ons with different agencies (LoL insurance, maybe training time Vs pay etc) but the basic T&C's should be pretty much same same.
There will be other agencies - and not recommending anyone - but both Longreach and CREW have T&C's on their webs that involves China, Korea and Japan.
Cheers all.
If you do find an agency with info the T&C's will be very similar for all - there may be some variable add ons with different agencies (LoL insurance, maybe training time Vs pay etc) but the basic T&C's should be pretty much same same.
There will be other agencies - and not recommending anyone - but both Longreach and CREW have T&C's on their webs that involves China, Korea and Japan.
Cheers all.
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Layover stations:
HNL, LAX, GRU, GUM, TAS, JED, ULN, BKK, CNX, HKT, SIN, CEB, DPS, CGK, DAD, HAN, SGN, NAN, MLE, BOM, SVO, LED, BNE
Depending on season:
ZRH, MAD, PRG, TLV, SYD etc.
Night stops:
NRT, KIX, NGO, PUD etc.
Most places of less than 7 hours flight time (read: south-east Asia) will be 24 hours layover since we have daily flights, however many A330 destinations only have 3 flights a week which means you'll have either 48 or 72 hours there. Examples are MLE, NAN, LAX, GRU, BOM, JED, TAS, SIN, CGK, CNX, ZRH, MAD etc.
I would say that roughly 30% of the hotels are good/above expectations, 60% are average/acceptable and 10% are below average, but this depends on personal preference of course.
Overall the A330 is a good fleet to be in due to the good mixture of short/medium/long flights, and the good chances of getting long stays.
HNL, LAX, GRU, GUM, TAS, JED, ULN, BKK, CNX, HKT, SIN, CEB, DPS, CGK, DAD, HAN, SGN, NAN, MLE, BOM, SVO, LED, BNE
Depending on season:
ZRH, MAD, PRG, TLV, SYD etc.
Night stops:
NRT, KIX, NGO, PUD etc.
Most places of less than 7 hours flight time (read: south-east Asia) will be 24 hours layover since we have daily flights, however many A330 destinations only have 3 flights a week which means you'll have either 48 or 72 hours there. Examples are MLE, NAN, LAX, GRU, BOM, JED, TAS, SIN, CGK, CNX, ZRH, MAD etc.
I would say that roughly 30% of the hotels are good/above expectations, 60% are average/acceptable and 10% are below average, but this depends on personal preference of course.
Overall the A330 is a good fleet to be in due to the good mixture of short/medium/long flights, and the good chances of getting long stays.
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Hi Guys,
I am currently a FO in Europa on the fear culture airline. I am thinking about joining KAL mostly because of the Commuting contract.
Can anyone tell me how the cockpit culture is if you are an FO?
And how many overnights you have during a period of working?
Any general info message would be appreciated of course!
Thank you in advance
I am currently a FO in Europa on the fear culture airline. I am thinking about joining KAL mostly because of the Commuting contract.
Can anyone tell me how the cockpit culture is if you are an FO?
And how many overnights you have during a period of working?
Any general info message would be appreciated of course!
Thank you in advance
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If a foreign pilot chooses to move to Seoul with legal visa, would you still get the 3 travel days?
Or if one choses to not commute home certain months and opts to stay in Seoul. Would they lose travel days?
Similar question I guess just wondering if the travel days are guaranteed even if you chose not to travel.
Thank you
Or if one choses to not commute home certain months and opts to stay in Seoul. Would they lose travel days?
Similar question I guess just wondering if the travel days are guaranteed even if you chose not to travel.
Thank you
