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Jet Airways’ pilots both sleeping, suspended after flight plunges 5,000 feet

Old 16th Aug 2014, 13:41
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I would have guessed that based on the distance of the flight, this plane should have had three crew. Assuming that the captain was on a rest break rather than a bathroom break, that would mean that two FOs in cockpit were sleeping or otherwise didn't notice the descent.
Only a few years ago, might still be the same, under Italian FTL's "Augmented Crew" the autopilot was/is considered to be the third pilot so two (human) pilots might be working 16 hour or longer FDP's.
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Old 16th Aug 2014, 15:08
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Attempts by Flightglobal to reach the airline and DGCA for more information were unsuccessful.
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Old 16th Aug 2014, 17:14
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maybe it plunged 50'
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Old 16th Aug 2014, 22:07
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100% agreed! I just covered the flight deck bit, in my last airline the CC had to come to the FD at least once every twenty to thirty minutes anyway, to see if we needed water etc. were both still awake etc.!
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Old 16th Aug 2014, 23:12
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When I was in Jet, it was legal for two pilots to do up to 10 hours of flight time, if at the planning stage it looked like 10 hours might be exceeded an extra crew member was called out…however I must say those early A.M. departures out of BOM/DEL for LHR/BRU were very tiring, it was not unusual for the other crew member (local) to order blankets and pillows from the cabin crew and curl up in their seat and sleep for several hours, leaving their equally fatigued colleague to press on single pilot….
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 12:28
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The news was blown by the times news network in print and tv here in India.
The entire incident is based upon the only known fact viz

"The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) got to know about this incident on Tuesday when its joint DG Lalit Gupta got an anonymous SMS about the "level burst", or uncontrolled descent."
Ha ha ha... THe only thing the DGCA here is scared about is the media!

Also the incident is approxa month or so old so the avherald investigation doesnt really stand any where...
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 12:59
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Zlin, this is a normal course of action for Air India too. Even before take off, the pillows and blankets appear.
The DGCA, unfortunately is a basket case, unable to tackle the indiscipline of the crew, and within themselves.
As long as the people of Delhi are in charge, nothing will change in India, aviation wise, or as a nation.
India now has a Gujarati for PM, there is some light at the end of the tunnel, hopefully for Indian aviation.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 13:46
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Wow rdr that is quite a hypothesis.....what was the country thinking all this time electing people from 26 other states and territories.....

Hopefully some of the motels in the US might also improve now!
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 16:09
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Alert Management : While undertaking controlled rest, establish procedures to maintain alertness of non-resting flight crew members. The Captain shall inform the CCIC of the intention of the flight crew member to take controlled rest, and of the time of the end of that rest. The CCIC must establish a frequent check on the Flight crew by means of the interphone system. Preferably, and in order not to disturb the resting crew member, the non-resting Flight crew member should call the Cabin crew approximately every 20 minutes (night) or 30 minutes (day). The CCIC shall call the non-resting Flight crew member or shall make a physical check if no communication has been established in the given time.
But somebody said that if you obey all the rules you miss all the fun
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Old 21st Aug 2014, 02:30
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This is Jet Airways at it's best. Be rest assured that the co pilot would go on to become a training Captain , not just a Captain.
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Old 23rd Aug 2014, 19:39
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Tell me more about jet's future,You know we can make lot of money from this skill
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Old 23rd Aug 2014, 21:53
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Heard there may be pay issues again...
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