ThaiLion
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nothing to hide... it Lion Air GROUP from thailand, malaysia and Indonesia... which means bad management, bad T&C, bad training, work harder than Thai ladyboy on a saturday night etc etc...
Nothing new... Guys ..should have known what they are aspecting with Lion air. if you are coming from a legacy, major airlines.. be prepared for the biggest change of your life.. lion are looking for everything cheap. min gndschool time, maximum fly hours they can get from you... you cant change the system of Lion.. just go with the flow. many expats have sail in..thinking they can change the system they all left for china or middle east after a month or 2....
make sure you are well lubricated......
and bottoms up the snake blood and rice wine with snake venom...need the stamina...
Nothing new... Guys ..should have known what they are aspecting with Lion air. if you are coming from a legacy, major airlines.. be prepared for the biggest change of your life.. lion are looking for everything cheap. min gndschool time, maximum fly hours they can get from you... you cant change the system of Lion.. just go with the flow. many expats have sail in..thinking they can change the system they all left for china or middle east after a month or 2....
make sure you are well lubricated......
and bottoms up the snake blood and rice wine with snake venom...need the stamina...
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Lion Air Thai is the same bottom feeding operation as their counter part in Indonesia. Why would one have a desire to work for any operation banned from the rest of the world?
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AVOID THAI LION AIR
I wouldn't recommend joining Thai Lion Air to my worst enemy. They think they "own you" (quote from DFO) from the day you pass evaluation. The most un-organized company that I have ever seen and they feed the agents false information to get guys to travel to Bangkok on their own dime. They say they will reimburse your ticket, but do not until after signing a BS contract (suppose to be NET pay, but not. Even pilot working there warned first day they screw you over on pay and on duty time).
The trying program is a joke and they received big problems from ICAO audit very recently. The whole training program consisted of 2 hours of SOP (FO reading out of manual), 2 hours of OM (DFO reading out of manual) and a couple hours going over general subjects. After that you get one day for SEP, slide training and a fire drill (no wet drill, which is a DCA requirement).
The DFO is a very arrogant guy who is very anti-foreign pilot. Heard he will soon be fired, so that may be a step in the right direction for TLA, but until then there are much better airlines flying 737's in Thailand and Asia in general that appreciate foreign pilots.
The trying program is a joke and they received big problems from ICAO audit very recently. The whole training program consisted of 2 hours of SOP (FO reading out of manual), 2 hours of OM (DFO reading out of manual) and a couple hours going over general subjects. After that you get one day for SEP, slide training and a fire drill (no wet drill, which is a DCA requirement).
The DFO is a very arrogant guy who is very anti-foreign pilot. Heard he will soon be fired, so that may be a step in the right direction for TLA, but until then there are much better airlines flying 737's in Thailand and Asia in general that appreciate foreign pilots.
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Yo senator, I know both pilots you describe above and you really need to get facts straight. The pilot you reported showed up drunk was released from duty and at his hotel when the dis-organized company came and got him to do slide training. He was NOT drunk.
The pilot you say flew for two airlines never received a contract from Thai Lion and Thai Lion never submitted his validation to DCA. Thai DCA approve flights until validation paperwork is submitted and a contract is signed.
If you want truth (not Tony's version of the truth) on both pilots, PM me or a few other expats that know both guys.
The pilot you say flew for two airlines never received a contract from Thai Lion and Thai Lion never submitted his validation to DCA. Thai DCA approve flights until validation paperwork is submitted and a contract is signed.
If you want truth (not Tony's version of the truth) on both pilots, PM me or a few other expats that know both guys.
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How does Thai Lion Air circumvent the Thai law which prohibits any foreigner pilot from operating domestic flights in Thailand?
Are all TLA flights international?
Or do they schedule all foreigners to operate international flights only?
I heard Thai Lion Air is "basing" pilots employed by Lion Air Indonesia in Bangkok to circumvent the law. Any truth to that?
Or did DCA abolish this law?
Thailand has a law that prohibits any foreigner from the following professions:
Taxi driver
Tuk tuk driver
Farmer
Pilot of domestic flights...
... there is more I can't think of right now.
Are all TLA flights international?
Or do they schedule all foreigners to operate international flights only?
I heard Thai Lion Air is "basing" pilots employed by Lion Air Indonesia in Bangkok to circumvent the law. Any truth to that?
Or did DCA abolish this law?
Thailand has a law that prohibits any foreigner from the following professions:
Taxi driver
Tuk tuk driver
Farmer
Pilot of domestic flights...
... there is more I can't think of right now.
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Dear All
Probably you do not remember Lion 2 Accidents, Bali ,in the sea ,and the other one COW GRILLED INSIDE ONE ENGINE at LANDING .
Thet will stay Blacklisted for a long time
Thet will stay Blacklisted for a long time
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Well.. wherever you go in South East Asia you go to work.. its the same. dont aspect good support or training..everything is done to the minimum..example ground school..you did cover SOP, COM etc. because you sat in that class.there paperwork for it. that all Thai DCA care about.. (ok except major carriers of the country) besides government subsidize airlines.. all these private companies are same. looking out for profit.. doesnt matter how there get there..
If you dont want to work for Lion Thai... there is always Orient Thai, City airways, Asia Altantic Airlines etc.. all airlines in these region have major problems. Thai Airways only hire locals.
It your choice... you can stay.. go with the flow and follow asian ways. or goto a non asian country. at the end of the day you are specialised prositute who can fly a plane. the airline is the pimp.. if they need you to fly that day they call you..you get paid.. No fly no money.
Like any work ...If you stay, and fight against the flow.. everyday is like scratching your scrotum with cheese grater... i been there.. scar to prove it. but scar are there are remainder that if you dont like it... leave.. dont stay..skin is only so thick..
If you dont want to work for Lion Thai... there is always Orient Thai, City airways, Asia Altantic Airlines etc.. all airlines in these region have major problems. Thai Airways only hire locals.
It your choice... you can stay.. go with the flow and follow asian ways. or goto a non asian country. at the end of the day you are specialised prositute who can fly a plane. the airline is the pimp.. if they need you to fly that day they call you..you get paid.. No fly no money.
Like any work ...If you stay, and fight against the flow.. everyday is like scratching your scrotum with cheese grater... i been there.. scar to prove it. but scar are there are remainder that if you dont like it... leave.. dont stay..skin is only so thick..
