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let me slightly disagree.
Marablit or Marboollit or whatever was his name - in charge of A320 fleet - is the most stupid ass..e in command of a fleet the world has ever seen.
So there will be for sure *a lot* of free vacanices on a320 all the coming months
Marablit or Marboollit or whatever was his name - in charge of A320 fleet - is the most stupid ass..e in command of a fleet the world has ever seen.
So there will be for sure *a lot* of free vacanices on a320 all the coming months
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I understand after reading previous posts that it is really expensive to work for them. How much is the average cost for bureaucratic expenses that someone has to pay? ( work permit, license fees, medical ...). And when the company starts to pay the salary? (during ground school?) How much is the salary for a A320/A330 First Officer?
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I understand after reading previous posts that it is really expensive to work for them. How much is the average cost for bureaucratic expenses that someone has to pay? ( work permit, license fees, medical ...). And when the company starts to pay the salary? (during ground school?) How much is the salary for a A320/A330 First Officer?
Bureaucratic expenses=$1000us (approx)
No salary during GS, sim training or IOE, only "training pay" (about $500/month)
Figure 4 to 6 months before you see a salary, and "productivity pay" (flight pay) only after you have been "released" (after about 100 hours of flying)
A320/A330 FO expect a pay of about $4000/month.
Also, you will not be told this, but there is no pay guarantee. You will get a small base salary (about $1000/month, after release) so if you have a trip cancelled, or you take a sick day or a vacation day you are only paid the base pay, no productivity pay. It's very expensive to call in sick or take vacation.
You will also be told you will be paid a "travel allowance" each month (about $150us) but that usually doesn't get paid for months at a time.
And oh, BTW, you will also be required to sign a "training bond" of about $30,000us and three years for the "opportunity" to work there.
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wow is the work permit that costly ? 2 grand? i have the permanent resident visa (spouse) so not sure on cost of work permits...
also you failed to mention cost of check ride at wcc in the a320 will cost around 1500. and income is subject to 32% tax at bir.
china is much better in pay and the company will cover costs of checkride ,medical, work permit etc
also you failed to mention cost of check ride at wcc in the a320 will cost around 1500. and income is subject to 32% tax at bir.
china is much better in pay and the company will cover costs of checkride ,medical, work permit etc
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CP COSTS
-Work permit= $2000us -
-Bureaucratic expenses=$1000us (approx)
-check ride at wcc in the a320 will cost around 1500$
What about other costs required to work there?
-Bureaucratic expenses=$1000us (approx)
-check ride at wcc in the a320 will cost around 1500$
What about other costs required to work there?
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the most important thing is that you have a solid job offer with a written contract i.e. from cebu pacific because without that you will not be issued the dole work permit and without the work permit you wont be issued a caap license (its a temp by the way) and you can convert to a "real" license after you have 200 hours in an RP registered plane.
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ATR First Officer pay
Does anyone know the terms and conditions that ATR First Officers are on when first joining Cebu Pacific? Also is there many guys applying for the position at the moment with type ratings and zero hours on type??
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Dont bother going to Cebu....not worth mate.
Have real close friends there.
Expats are leaving on a regular basis, even with bonds in progress.
They simply disappear from a day to another, and they cancel the philippines from the map.
That company is the worst on earth run by ignorants and unprofessional so called managers.
Stay away.
Try Etihad regional.
Have real close friends there.
Expats are leaving on a regular basis, even with bonds in progress.
They simply disappear from a day to another, and they cancel the philippines from the map.
That company is the worst on earth run by ignorants and unprofessional so called managers.
Stay away.
Try Etihad regional.
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Your Skype interview can go several different ways.
If they like you and don't feel threatened by you, then it's just an easy meet and greet with lots of softball tech questions.
If they decide they don't like you, then they will pummel you with question after question, which some will make no sense, then insult you at every turn to show their superiority.
Honestly, why are you even considering this place? As of right now ALL expats (except one, who is married to a Filipina and lives there) have fled the country.
In case you missed it, this is what you are in for if you decide to work for these people:
1) You will be required to sign a training bond, about $30,000US (it varies).
2) The training is sub standard, actually "sub standard" would mean there is actual training. It's well below sub standard. Ground training is a joke, and sim training consist of having a local (expats are not allowed to be instructors) screaming and yelling while giving unrealistic problems and multiple emergencies. Be prepared to attend classes that are taught in Tagalog because the instructor could care less about you.
3) Being an expat, you are relevant until you're not. You will be looked down upon and will get firsthand attention of just how racist the Filipinos will be against you. In their eyes you are "stealing" their jobs.
4) Scheduling is horrendous. 8 hard days off per month, but you will get calls to fly on those days, and you are not allowed to decline. Typical schedule has you flying in on your last day arriving midnight or after, day off and showing at 1am on the next day. You cannot bid schedules, they are assigned. ATR flies 6 to 8 legs a day. Crew Schedulers are the equivalent of trained monkeys.
5) Pay. Dismal. FO's make about $2000/month.
6) Vacation. 2 weeks per year, that's it. And you are charged vacation days on your scheduled off days. So if the 2 weeks you pick for vacation have 3 off days, they make you take vacation for those days.
7) Domicile. Manila. Forget "cheap living" unless you want to live in a slum. On FO pay you cannot afford to live in Manila, period.
8) Captains (locals) will treat you like the scum of the earth, and when they screw up, you will be blamed.
9) Safety. The destinations of the ATR are small airports within the Philippines. Except for a very few (5?) the rest don't have instrument approaches or ATC facilities and no radar. You will fly with Capts that will concoct home made approaches into mountainous jungle terrain during monsoon weather. You will fly with Capts that have zero knowledge of aircraft systems. Several ATP locals have about the knowledge of a Private Pilot in the rest of the world.. Limitations? What's that?
10) You will pay for your own work permit (about $1000 US), you will pay for your own license conversion with the CAAP, you will pay for your own company medical exam. In essence, you pay for EVERYTHING required to gain employment. While attending training until you are released for line flying (about 6 months) you will receive a "training allowance" (no other pay) that is less than $500/month. Think you can live in manila for $500 a month?
11) There is no flow through to the A320 or the A330 as they are different companies. If you go to the ATR (CebGo) you are stuck there, period.
12) Captain upgrade. Forget it. Locals get priority on upgrades.
13) If you do get lucky enough to upgrade (kiss enough ass) then you will be required to sign another training bond of $30-$50K US, that will run concurrent with your FO training bond.
14) Sick days. Unpaid. That's right, call in sick= no pay. And if you call in sick, you are required to go to a doctor, get a grounding slip. Then when you are better, you are required to go back to a doctor and get a release slip.
If they like you and don't feel threatened by you, then it's just an easy meet and greet with lots of softball tech questions.
If they decide they don't like you, then they will pummel you with question after question, which some will make no sense, then insult you at every turn to show their superiority.
Honestly, why are you even considering this place? As of right now ALL expats (except one, who is married to a Filipina and lives there) have fled the country.
In case you missed it, this is what you are in for if you decide to work for these people:
1) You will be required to sign a training bond, about $30,000US (it varies).
2) The training is sub standard, actually "sub standard" would mean there is actual training. It's well below sub standard. Ground training is a joke, and sim training consist of having a local (expats are not allowed to be instructors) screaming and yelling while giving unrealistic problems and multiple emergencies. Be prepared to attend classes that are taught in Tagalog because the instructor could care less about you.
3) Being an expat, you are relevant until you're not. You will be looked down upon and will get firsthand attention of just how racist the Filipinos will be against you. In their eyes you are "stealing" their jobs.
4) Scheduling is horrendous. 8 hard days off per month, but you will get calls to fly on those days, and you are not allowed to decline. Typical schedule has you flying in on your last day arriving midnight or after, day off and showing at 1am on the next day. You cannot bid schedules, they are assigned. ATR flies 6 to 8 legs a day. Crew Schedulers are the equivalent of trained monkeys.
5) Pay. Dismal. FO's make about $2000/month.
6) Vacation. 2 weeks per year, that's it. And you are charged vacation days on your scheduled off days. So if the 2 weeks you pick for vacation have 3 off days, they make you take vacation for those days.
7) Domicile. Manila. Forget "cheap living" unless you want to live in a slum. On FO pay you cannot afford to live in Manila, period.
8) Captains (locals) will treat you like the scum of the earth, and when they screw up, you will be blamed.
9) Safety. The destinations of the ATR are small airports within the Philippines. Except for a very few (5?) the rest don't have instrument approaches or ATC facilities and no radar. You will fly with Capts that will concoct home made approaches into mountainous jungle terrain during monsoon weather. You will fly with Capts that have zero knowledge of aircraft systems. Several ATP locals have about the knowledge of a Private Pilot in the rest of the world.. Limitations? What's that?
10) You will pay for your own work permit (about $1000 US), you will pay for your own license conversion with the CAAP, you will pay for your own company medical exam. In essence, you pay for EVERYTHING required to gain employment. While attending training until you are released for line flying (about 6 months) you will receive a "training allowance" (no other pay) that is less than $500/month. Think you can live in manila for $500 a month?
11) There is no flow through to the A320 or the A330 as they are different companies. If you go to the ATR (CebGo) you are stuck there, period.
12) Captain upgrade. Forget it. Locals get priority on upgrades.
13) If you do get lucky enough to upgrade (kiss enough ass) then you will be required to sign another training bond of $30-$50K US, that will run concurrent with your FO training bond.
14) Sick days. Unpaid. That's right, call in sick= no pay. And if you call in sick, you are required to go to a doctor, get a grounding slip. Then when you are better, you are required to go back to a doctor and get a release slip.
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It's still the same CP. Right now they are offering A320 Capts 12,000 US a month for a 6 month contract. And as always, expect to have that pulled from under you and then offered "local terms" which is crap.
In case you missed it, this is what you are in for if you decide to work for these people:
1) You will be required to sign a training bond, about $30,000US (it varies).
2) The training is sub standard, actually "sub standard" would mean there is actual training. It's well below sub standard. Ground training is a joke, and sim training consist of having a local (expats are not allowed to be instructors) screaming and yelling while giving unrealistic problems and multiple emergencies. Be prepared to attend classes that are taught in Tagalog because the instructor could care less about you.
3) Being an expat, you are relevant until you're not. You will be looked down upon and will get firsthand attention of just how racist the Filipinos will be against you. In their eyes you are "stealing" their jobs.
4) Scheduling is horrendous. 8 hard days off per month, but you will get calls to fly on those days, and you are not allowed to decline. Typical schedule has you flying in on your last day arriving midnight or after, day off and showing at 1am on the next day. You cannot bid schedules, they are assigned. ATR flies 6 to 8 legs a day. Crew Schedulers are the equivalent of trained monkeys.
5) Pay. Dismal. FO's make about $2000/month.
6) Vacation. 2 weeks per year, that's it. And you are charged vacation days on your scheduled off days. So if the 2 weeks you pick for vacation have 3 off days, they make you take vacation for those days.
7) Domicile. Manila. Forget "cheap living" unless you want to live in a slum. On FO pay you cannot afford to live in Manila, period.
8) Captains (locals) will treat you like the scum of the earth, and when they screw up, you will be blamed.
9) Safety. The destinations of the ATR are small airports within the Philippines. Except for a very few (5?) the rest don't have instrument approaches or ATC facilities and no radar. You will fly with Capts that will concoct home made approaches into mountainous jungle terrain during monsoon weather. You will fly with Capts that have zero knowledge of aircraft systems. Several ATP locals have about the knowledge of a Private Pilot in the rest of the world.. Limitations? What's that?
10) You will pay for your own work permit (about $1000 US), you will pay for your own license conversion with the CAAP, you will pay for your own company medical exam. In essence, you pay for EVERYTHING required to gain employment. While attending training until you are released for line flying (about 6 months) you will receive a "training allowance" (no other pay) that is less than $500/month. Think you can live in manila for $500 a month?
11) There is no flow through to the A320 or the A330 as they are different companies. If you go to the ATR (CebGo) you are stuck there, period.
12) Captain upgrade. Forget it. Locals get priority on upgrades.
13) If you do get lucky enough to upgrade (kiss enough ass) then you will be required to sign another training bond of $30-$50K US, that will run concurrent with your FO training bond.
14) Sick days. Unpaid. That's right, call in sick= no pay. And if you call in sick, you are required to go to a doctor, get a grounding slip. Then when you are better, you are required to go back to a doctor and get a release slip.
In case you missed it, this is what you are in for if you decide to work for these people:
1) You will be required to sign a training bond, about $30,000US (it varies).
2) The training is sub standard, actually "sub standard" would mean there is actual training. It's well below sub standard. Ground training is a joke, and sim training consist of having a local (expats are not allowed to be instructors) screaming and yelling while giving unrealistic problems and multiple emergencies. Be prepared to attend classes that are taught in Tagalog because the instructor could care less about you.
3) Being an expat, you are relevant until you're not. You will be looked down upon and will get firsthand attention of just how racist the Filipinos will be against you. In their eyes you are "stealing" their jobs.
4) Scheduling is horrendous. 8 hard days off per month, but you will get calls to fly on those days, and you are not allowed to decline. Typical schedule has you flying in on your last day arriving midnight or after, day off and showing at 1am on the next day. You cannot bid schedules, they are assigned. ATR flies 6 to 8 legs a day. Crew Schedulers are the equivalent of trained monkeys.
5) Pay. Dismal. FO's make about $2000/month.
6) Vacation. 2 weeks per year, that's it. And you are charged vacation days on your scheduled off days. So if the 2 weeks you pick for vacation have 3 off days, they make you take vacation for those days.
7) Domicile. Manila. Forget "cheap living" unless you want to live in a slum. On FO pay you cannot afford to live in Manila, period.
8) Captains (locals) will treat you like the scum of the earth, and when they screw up, you will be blamed.
9) Safety. The destinations of the ATR are small airports within the Philippines. Except for a very few (5?) the rest don't have instrument approaches or ATC facilities and no radar. You will fly with Capts that will concoct home made approaches into mountainous jungle terrain during monsoon weather. You will fly with Capts that have zero knowledge of aircraft systems. Several ATP locals have about the knowledge of a Private Pilot in the rest of the world.. Limitations? What's that?
10) You will pay for your own work permit (about $1000 US), you will pay for your own license conversion with the CAAP, you will pay for your own company medical exam. In essence, you pay for EVERYTHING required to gain employment. While attending training until you are released for line flying (about 6 months) you will receive a "training allowance" (no other pay) that is less than $500/month. Think you can live in manila for $500 a month?
11) There is no flow through to the A320 or the A330 as they are different companies. If you go to the ATR (CebGo) you are stuck there, period.
12) Captain upgrade. Forget it. Locals get priority on upgrades.
13) If you do get lucky enough to upgrade (kiss enough ass) then you will be required to sign another training bond of $30-$50K US, that will run concurrent with your FO training bond.
14) Sick days. Unpaid. That's right, call in sick= no pay. And if you call in sick, you are required to go to a doctor, get a grounding slip. Then when you are better, you are required to go back to a doctor and get a release slip.
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what is up? I am new here. I saw the post on pilot career about ATR 72 direct entry capt in cebGO. Anyone knows the T&C?
I can see an obvious pattern in the company, it continuously hiring Captain for atr72,a320 and a330. I am guessing that no first officer can do PIC responsibilities , Or promotion to left seat takes ****load of unicorn hours!
I can see an obvious pattern in the company, it continuously hiring Captain for atr72,a320 and a330. I am guessing that no first officer can do PIC responsibilities , Or promotion to left seat takes ****load of unicorn hours!