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Are you posting actual information, or just rumours and pub facts?
There is a 9000 SGD payment up front for non rated pilots, and then 400 SGD monthly for the next 5 years. This is money you have to pay for the rating.
You said there is a 9000 SGD security deposit for RATED pilots, and now you double this deposit to 18000 SGD???? Then you say this is a bond for one maybe two years. But there is already a bond, 57000 SGD.
Some factual information would be nice. If this is the way you THINK it is, please just say so.
There is a 9000 SGD payment up front for non rated pilots, and then 400 SGD monthly for the next 5 years. This is money you have to pay for the rating.
You said there is a 9000 SGD security deposit for RATED pilots, and now you double this deposit to 18000 SGD???? Then you say this is a bond for one maybe two years. But there is already a bond, 57000 SGD.
Some factual information would be nice. If this is the way you THINK it is, please just say so.
Mana - like the name of the very website we on???
If you want FACTS go and do the interview and ask them. Whether you type rated or not, if you join Scooter they want to have a hold on you!!
If you want FACTS go and do the interview and ask them. Whether you type rated or not, if you join Scooter they want to have a hold on you!!
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Yes, I know what a bond is, and I don't mind one if I don't intend to make a move. I don't apply for a job just to jump ship as soon as possible.
In order to make a decision I try to gather as much factual information as possible.
It does not help if you just throw out random numbers when you pretty much have no idea what you are talking about.
It's like Iver giving advice on living and working in the Middle East (and now also South East Asia) when he has never worked or lived there.
In order to make a decision I try to gather as much factual information as possible.
It does not help if you just throw out random numbers when you pretty much have no idea what you are talking about.
It's like Iver giving advice on living and working in the Middle East (and now also South East Asia) when he has never worked or lived there.
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The last thing we need is another Iver, giving advice on every forum about things he knows nothing about. If you read his posts it looks like he has lived and worked in every region and airline in the world. CDRW, stick to the facts, people sometimes base serious decisions on what they read here. Foolish or not it's what happens
Yup Mana - if 15 years working for the parent airline and having been there at the inception of Scoot means I do not know what I am talking about then so be it. If you using this forum to gather factual information then vf last sentence applies. Good luck.
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Well the animosity between SQ mainline and Scoot is palpable - that would certainly colour what may be reported in here.
I think CD gets it, but it's an intentional (or not) RW failure of factual information. C'mon CD, 15 years with the parent you'd have to be better connected to know things like if RHC is getting management support, or resignation numbers and do better than "I think it's 9K" or "it's two years or maybe one", we're not in an "I think that's right profession", unless you're a mushroom. MAS only asking for a bit of clarity. Heck I could pick up a phone and find out the last two and I don't even work in either carrier. Guys like Sage are putting it out there as they see it so others like MAS and WAF can get a clearer understanding of the landscape, some of your posts have just fogged up the valley again. Rumour network or not, majority of what goes on here is the legitimate passing of information for the benefit of others. You could at least try to keep it that way.
MAS - what Sage posted is pretty much it AFAIK, add to that there are no fringe benefits to speak of so if you are obligation free in life it's perhaps worth it, but otherwise it's quite an imposition IMO. No such thing as interline, you only get Scoot travel and currently the roster is pretty heavy so don't expect to use it much - you'll probably only enjoy the nightstops for what it's worth. They have their own blogsite if you haven't come across it Scoot Speaks | With Scootitude, it's a nice decoration but I've always found the way an airline treats their passengers is often a good sign of how they treat their staff (and vice versa). Aside from the BS outside Door 1L onboard your bird it's all good, mostly smooth sailing I'm told. I'd gather you would know what LKY-land is like so can plan accordingly - MestiAndaSistem
I think CD gets it, but it's an intentional (or not) RW failure of factual information. C'mon CD, 15 years with the parent you'd have to be better connected to know things like if RHC is getting management support, or resignation numbers and do better than "I think it's 9K" or "it's two years or maybe one", we're not in an "I think that's right profession", unless you're a mushroom. MAS only asking for a bit of clarity. Heck I could pick up a phone and find out the last two and I don't even work in either carrier. Guys like Sage are putting it out there as they see it so others like MAS and WAF can get a clearer understanding of the landscape, some of your posts have just fogged up the valley again. Rumour network or not, majority of what goes on here is the legitimate passing of information for the benefit of others. You could at least try to keep it that way.
MAS - what Sage posted is pretty much it AFAIK, add to that there are no fringe benefits to speak of so if you are obligation free in life it's perhaps worth it, but otherwise it's quite an imposition IMO. No such thing as interline, you only get Scoot travel and currently the roster is pretty heavy so don't expect to use it much - you'll probably only enjoy the nightstops for what it's worth. They have their own blogsite if you haven't come across it Scoot Speaks | With Scootitude, it's a nice decoration but I've always found the way an airline treats their passengers is often a good sign of how they treat their staff (and vice versa). Aside from the BS outside Door 1L onboard your bird it's all good, mostly smooth sailing I'm told. I'd gather you would know what LKY-land is like so can plan accordingly - MestiAndaSistem
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Thanks for helping out, Chill.
I don't have a lot of luggage, and financially I can afford the entry "fee", but paying for training is a bit outside my comfort zone. I could do it for a long term job, but job security is always a concern in Singapore.
I'm on the fence for now.
Thanks again.
I don't have a lot of luggage, and financially I can afford the entry "fee", but paying for training is a bit outside my comfort zone. I could do it for a long term job, but job security is always a concern in Singapore.
I'm on the fence for now.
Thanks again.
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A friend sent this to me:
Recruitment Process:
1. Pre-Assessment (Video Interview & Online Aptitude Test)
2. Assessment Day (for selected candidates)
3. SIM / Medical / Conversion of Licence / Work Pass application (for selected candidates)
Assessment will take half a day. SIM & Medical dates will be arranged within 4 days following the assessment. Candidates are required to submit their conversion of licence application form personally to CAAS, with the required supporting documents & all original logbooks.
Please note Scoot will not bear the following costs:
- Air ticket, accommodation & miscellaneous incidentals (E.g. Taxi fares / Meals / Excess Baggage charge). We do provide linkups for corporate hotel rates upon request.
- Medical checkup fees.
- Conversion of Licence application fee S$345 (Visa / Master) to CAAS
- CAAS mandatory exam fees
- Relocation to Singapore upon accepting Scoot's Offer
- Depedant pass application / renewal (if applicable)
Scoot's contract & Training bond (Non B777-rated pilot):
-Scoot’s contract/offer letter is an initial term of 5 years.
- Where you’re not B777 rated, the Company will grant a loan of S$33,000 to you in respect of 50% of S$66,000 licence conversion cost.
- You are required to secure a surety / banker’s guarantee for a training bond of S$57,000 (Captain) / S$47,000 (First Officer).
Who can act as your surety (Guarantor):
- Above 21 years of age
- Singaporean/Singapore Permanent Resident/Singapore Employment Pass Holder
- Gainfully employed
- Have not been a party to an existing training bond agreement - Am not a bankrupt
- Cannot be a fellow Scoot employee
How do I know if I am rated and if I can fall under 'Partial Conversion'?
Pilots who are B747 rated will be allowed to go through partial conversion.
What do you get for the effort you put in:
Gross monthly Salary would include:
- Basic Salary
- Productivity Incentive
- Transport allowance
- Per Diem allowance (payout as per IRAS guidelines)
- *performance bonus (As per Management's discretion)
The extent of your tax liability will depend on your tax residency status. Scoot's Benefits:
- Hospitalisation and Surgical Insurance
- 28 days of annual leave per financial year
- 14 days of sick leave per financial year
- 60 days of hospitalization leave (including sick leave) per financial year -
Flexi-Benefit Scheme
- Staff Travel Benefits
1. Pre-Assessment (Video Interview & Online Aptitude Test)
2. Assessment Day (for selected candidates)
3. SIM / Medical / Conversion of Licence / Work Pass application (for selected candidates)
Assessment will take half a day. SIM & Medical dates will be arranged within 4 days following the assessment. Candidates are required to submit their conversion of licence application form personally to CAAS, with the required supporting documents & all original logbooks.
Please note Scoot will not bear the following costs:
- Air ticket, accommodation & miscellaneous incidentals (E.g. Taxi fares / Meals / Excess Baggage charge). We do provide linkups for corporate hotel rates upon request.
- Medical checkup fees.
- Conversion of Licence application fee S$345 (Visa / Master) to CAAS
- CAAS mandatory exam fees
- Relocation to Singapore upon accepting Scoot's Offer
- Depedant pass application / renewal (if applicable)
Scoot's contract & Training bond (Non B777-rated pilot):
-Scoot’s contract/offer letter is an initial term of 5 years.
- Where you’re not B777 rated, the Company will grant a loan of S$33,000 to you in respect of 50% of S$66,000 licence conversion cost.
- You are required to secure a surety / banker’s guarantee for a training bond of S$57,000 (Captain) / S$47,000 (First Officer).
Who can act as your surety (Guarantor):
- Above 21 years of age
- Singaporean/Singapore Permanent Resident/Singapore Employment Pass Holder
- Gainfully employed
- Have not been a party to an existing training bond agreement - Am not a bankrupt
- Cannot be a fellow Scoot employee
How do I know if I am rated and if I can fall under 'Partial Conversion'?
Pilots who are B747 rated will be allowed to go through partial conversion.
What do you get for the effort you put in:
Gross monthly Salary would include:
- Basic Salary
- Productivity Incentive
- Transport allowance
- Per Diem allowance (payout as per IRAS guidelines)
- *performance bonus (As per Management's discretion)
The extent of your tax liability will depend on your tax residency status. Scoot's Benefits:
- Hospitalisation and Surgical Insurance
- 28 days of annual leave per financial year
- 14 days of sick leave per financial year
- 60 days of hospitalization leave (including sick leave) per financial year -
Flexi-Benefit Scheme
- Staff Travel Benefits
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CR@P.. I cant afford all that.. Thats a LOT of Luv you long time mister dollars.. I think I can just make the airline ticket.. hehe.. then i homeless in singapore..
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Thanks falcon10, good information!
Now if someone can give details on:
I gather only Basic and Transport are fixed amounts, Productivity and Per Diem variable, and bonus is subject to factors not available to the pilots. May or may not happen, even if an extra months pay is nearly a basic rule in Singapore.
Now if someone can give details on:
What do you get for the effort you put in:
Gross monthly Salary would include:
- Basic Salary
- Productivity Incentive
- Transport allowance
- Per Diem allowance (payout as per IRAS guidelines)
- *performance bonus (As per Management's discretion)
Gross monthly Salary would include:
- Basic Salary
- Productivity Incentive
- Transport allowance
- Per Diem allowance (payout as per IRAS guidelines)
- *performance bonus (As per Management's discretion)
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It was good information there, but can someone please tell me what you can expect in salary gross, including per diem, meals etc? For FO and Captain.
I guess it is not a commuting contract but how is the rooster there? Is it 7 weeks on 2 weeks off or similar?
Cheers
I guess it is not a commuting contract but how is the rooster there? Is it 7 weeks on 2 weeks off or similar?
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Is Scoot currently doing assessments? I sent an application more than a month ago and I got a reply that they have my application and if I am needed I will hear from them but no word from them again. How long does it take to get an invitation for assessment? Or maybe this is a polite rejection???
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Just some expat observations on 9V land....
I left Singapore last year after having spent a while as an "expat" working in aviation there.
1. in Singapore you are not an expat........You are a foreigner
2 As a foreigner you need to know they speak either English or Chinese, neither very well
3. Singapore is cash rich and asset poor. You will be needed as an asset (not enough in the local gene pool), but not wanted by local management.
4. You will be expected to give the maximum of yourself, whilst being paid the absolute minimum that they can get away with.
5. Singaporean man management is of the...."Ready-Fire-Aim" sort, which can be a bit frustrating to work with.
6.Public transport and the local food is both good and cheap
7.Condo rental is very expensive, as is buying a car, schooling the kids, getting health and dental insurance.
8. Ultimately your work efforts are to support the Temasek organisation and the ruling Lee family, who run the Temasek organisation (Mrs Lee actually)
9.Singaporeans are the most micro managed people on earth.
10. The ruling party politicans have very, very, thin skin
11. Do your homework before you commit
12. The zoo is very good
Probably other stuff, but those were the salient points for me. Give it a look, but do tread very very carefully.
BS
I left Singapore last year after having spent a while as an "expat" working in aviation there.
1. in Singapore you are not an expat........You are a foreigner
2 As a foreigner you need to know they speak either English or Chinese, neither very well
3. Singapore is cash rich and asset poor. You will be needed as an asset (not enough in the local gene pool), but not wanted by local management.
4. You will be expected to give the maximum of yourself, whilst being paid the absolute minimum that they can get away with.
5. Singaporean man management is of the...."Ready-Fire-Aim" sort, which can be a bit frustrating to work with.
6.Public transport and the local food is both good and cheap
7.Condo rental is very expensive, as is buying a car, schooling the kids, getting health and dental insurance.
8. Ultimately your work efforts are to support the Temasek organisation and the ruling Lee family, who run the Temasek organisation (Mrs Lee actually)
9.Singaporeans are the most micro managed people on earth.
10. The ruling party politicans have very, very, thin skin
11. Do your homework before you commit
12. The zoo is very good
Probably other stuff, but those were the salient points for me. Give it a look, but do tread very very carefully.
BS
I don't think there is an upgrade program in place at the moment with Scoot, all Captains are direct entry. There will have to be one in the future but not sure when.
The hours and sector requirements could make it a long wait for an inexperienced joiner as the B777/B787 isn't normally the sort of aircraft you'd get your first command on unless you're with SQ, CX, EK etc.
Joining a low cost with 200 hours and upgrading at 3000 hours onto an A320/B737 happens all the time, I not sure if it would happen with widebodies.
The hours and sector requirements could make it a long wait for an inexperienced joiner as the B777/B787 isn't normally the sort of aircraft you'd get your first command on unless you're with SQ, CX, EK etc.
Joining a low cost with 200 hours and upgrading at 3000 hours onto an A320/B737 happens all the time, I not sure if it would happen with widebodies.
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Anyone could help with giving more details about the assessment? What kind of interview/technical questions to expect? Is there any book to prepare for the online tests?