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These LCC mentalities are really hard to comprehend: Do the airlines management ask the fuel vendor to sell fuel at 30% discount because "we are LCCs"?! Do they ask the airports for discount on landing fees? So they press the workers, put them in crappier hotels, etc etc. Even though its exactly the same job flying a 787 for Scoot or SQ. In other words, the workers are expected to compensate for the airlines business model. But on the flip side, when Scoot having load factor north of 90% while SQ at the mid 70%, do the workers get a pay raise?
yes on paper it looks good, but yields are v low for LCC
competition is intense, LCC tickets are depressed
Scoot probably need a LF of 80% to be profitable but SQ probably only need 40% LF to be profitable, just for example
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I would be interested to fly the 787. But just the financial aspect kinda holding me back from this gig. I am currently earning about the same money as 737 skipper as scoot offers but living in a way cheaper country. I have seen them advertising for roadshows and recruiting DEC again. Does anyone know if they still ask for this huge amount of money upfront? For me it just doesn't make sense to pay so much money upfront as deposit and for typerating costs for a job that pays me the same as I currently earn....
but then, u won't be staying much in base with the rather busy roster
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That's great. Management sets the price of tickets hence controls the yield. It is their business models. They don't ask concessions from fuel vendors and they dont ask concessions from airport authority, nor the IRS. Yet they ask the pilots to subsidize their business model and profitability.
which is why terms are eroding everywhere, not just here
the intense competition is keeping the prices low, if the airline isn't competitive, they're soon gonna start chopping headcount
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Sure as others have said here those are terms and conditions still being offered and folks are going.The thing is the HR unprofessionalism.They never got back with the results,never replied to the umpteen mails and instead just went ahead and advertising again.TO me it’s seems like wanting people to come and give their HR a practice on recruiting.
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Sure as others have said here those are terms and conditions still being offered and folks are going.The thing is the HR unprofessionalism.They never got back with the results,never replied to the umpteen mails and instead just went ahead and advertising again.TO me it’s seems like wanting people to come and give their HR a practice on recruiting.
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I need some more detailed information about the interview and what to expect.
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Scoot T&Cs
Information valid as July 2018.
All amounts are in Singapore Dollars S$
NB = Narrow Body
WB = Wide Body
FH = Flight Hours
FO = First Officer
CA = Captain
LC = Line Check
BC = Base Check
Scoot
Company Outlook:
Year 2019 start B737. Phase out after 6 years. Transition to A320/B787 fleet.
Present 40 aircrafts. Year 2022: 70 aircraft
Additional 787 on options.
Crew Operating Patterns:
B787 has layover patterns.
A320 only turn around.
B737 pattern to be decided by network.
Projected crewing requirement:
Year 18/19: 540
Year 19/20: 680
Year 20/21: 720
Opportunities within Scoot (FOs):
Instructor path. Supervisory FO
Management path. Project pilot
CP Airbus: Company don't hire career FOs.
Training:
Full Type Rating: 3-4 months.
With Type Rating: 1+ month.
Reactivation for Type (A320) 1+ month (last flown within 5 years).
Progression FO to Command:
B737: 3-4 year.
B787: 5-6 years
NB Command Eligibility:
3500FH fixed wing w/ 1000FH on Type.
OR
3000 FH fixed wing w/ 1500FH on Type.
4 BC and 2 LC
Within Scoot, require:
Last 3 BC and 1 LC, Score #3(Average) or higher.
700 sectors, 300 P1(U/S)
WB Command Eligibility
5000FH, 2000FH pic, min 3years in Scoot
Last 3 BC and 1 LC, Score #3(Average) or higher.
A320 Fixed Roster
5 ON 2 OFF 5 ON 4 OFF
B787 Fixed Roster
6 ON 3 OFF 7 ON 3 OFF
6 ON 3 OFF 7 ON 4 OFF
19 ON 2 OFF (may need to verify this)
B737 Fixed Roster #1.
Implementation only after 1 year of "Flexi" Roster
5 ON 2 OFF 5 ON 4 OFF
B737 Fixed Roster #2 (on proposal, driven by network demands)
4 Weeks ON (flexi, includes AOCR OFF) 2 Weeks OFF.
Annual Leaves to be utilised during 2 Weeks OFF pattern.
Package Available:
Contract 5 years.
Permanent till 62.
Renew till 65.
Merit increment 2-3% based on indiviual (BC and LC) and Company performance.
Annual Leaves 25 days B737, 28 days B787
Fixed Term Contract (mainly for foreigners):
3 years, remuneration 30k
4 years, remuneration 40k
5 years, remuneration 50k
No Command Upgrade.
Medical Benefits:
14 days MC.
60 days hospitalization.
Medical Flexi Account $1020 FO and $1520 CA (Can buy insurance or go holiday).
Group hospitalization and surgical coverage to all employees.
Travel Benefits:
Staff Travel: Self + 5 nominees (able change yearly).
Unlimited Sub-load travel.
From year 2019, can take SQ MI and Nokscoot.
J-Class upgrade (payable) available to all staff.
Staff Travel Priority on First-to-turn-up-at-counter-first-to-queue. If same time arrival, decided by Seniority.
Money Matters (Captain):
Basic NB $9,500, WB $10,925
PPA Tier #1 $105, Tier #2 $125. NB & WB same.
Tier #2 at 4% above planned median FH for month.
Sector allowance $80 (4 sector)
NB 75FH estimate $18.4k gross (PPA approx 8k)
WB 75FH estimate $20k gross
No 13th month bonus.
Money Matters (FO):
Basic $5,700
PPA Tier #1 $72, Tier #2 $80. NB & WB same.
Sector Allowance $50 (4 sector)
NB 78FH estimate $11.9k gross (PPA approx 5.7k)
No 13th month bonus.
Notional Allowance B737 for 1st year and during Phase out after 6 years
Top up based on planned A320 FH.
After 6 years. Transition to A320 / B787.
Natural progression: NB-NB (Company-sponsored).
Opted progession: NB-WB based on opportunity (50% co-payment).
3 years training bond.
Day-Off call-up compensation
Captain $500, FO $333
25 days Annual Leave NB.
Bidding once yearly.
Priority by Seniority.
Roster released every 22nd of month for next.
Scoot VPFO's words:
Transfer based on MI's ability to release.
No guarantees on bond novation.
All amounts are in Singapore Dollars S$
NB = Narrow Body
WB = Wide Body
FH = Flight Hours
FO = First Officer
CA = Captain
LC = Line Check
BC = Base Check
Scoot
Company Outlook:
Year 2019 start B737. Phase out after 6 years. Transition to A320/B787 fleet.
Present 40 aircrafts. Year 2022: 70 aircraft
Additional 787 on options.
Crew Operating Patterns:
B787 has layover patterns.
A320 only turn around.
B737 pattern to be decided by network.
Projected crewing requirement:
Year 18/19: 540
Year 19/20: 680
Year 20/21: 720
Opportunities within Scoot (FOs):
Instructor path. Supervisory FO
Management path. Project pilot
CP Airbus: Company don't hire career FOs.
Training:
Full Type Rating: 3-4 months.
With Type Rating: 1+ month.
Reactivation for Type (A320) 1+ month (last flown within 5 years).
Progression FO to Command:
B737: 3-4 year.
B787: 5-6 years
NB Command Eligibility:
3500FH fixed wing w/ 1000FH on Type.
OR
3000 FH fixed wing w/ 1500FH on Type.
4 BC and 2 LC
Within Scoot, require:
Last 3 BC and 1 LC, Score #3(Average) or higher.
700 sectors, 300 P1(U/S)
WB Command Eligibility
5000FH, 2000FH pic, min 3years in Scoot
Last 3 BC and 1 LC, Score #3(Average) or higher.
A320 Fixed Roster
5 ON 2 OFF 5 ON 4 OFF
B787 Fixed Roster
6 ON 3 OFF 7 ON 3 OFF
6 ON 3 OFF 7 ON 4 OFF
19 ON 2 OFF (may need to verify this)
B737 Fixed Roster #1.
Implementation only after 1 year of "Flexi" Roster
5 ON 2 OFF 5 ON 4 OFF
B737 Fixed Roster #2 (on proposal, driven by network demands)
4 Weeks ON (flexi, includes AOCR OFF) 2 Weeks OFF.
Annual Leaves to be utilised during 2 Weeks OFF pattern.
Package Available:
Contract 5 years.
Permanent till 62.
Renew till 65.
Merit increment 2-3% based on indiviual (BC and LC) and Company performance.
Annual Leaves 25 days B737, 28 days B787
Fixed Term Contract (mainly for foreigners):
3 years, remuneration 30k
4 years, remuneration 40k
5 years, remuneration 50k
No Command Upgrade.
Medical Benefits:
14 days MC.
60 days hospitalization.
Medical Flexi Account $1020 FO and $1520 CA (Can buy insurance or go holiday).
Group hospitalization and surgical coverage to all employees.
Travel Benefits:
Staff Travel: Self + 5 nominees (able change yearly).
Unlimited Sub-load travel.
From year 2019, can take SQ MI and Nokscoot.
J-Class upgrade (payable) available to all staff.
Staff Travel Priority on First-to-turn-up-at-counter-first-to-queue. If same time arrival, decided by Seniority.
Money Matters (Captain):
Basic NB $9,500, WB $10,925
PPA Tier #1 $105, Tier #2 $125. NB & WB same.
Tier #2 at 4% above planned median FH for month.
Sector allowance $80 (4 sector)
NB 75FH estimate $18.4k gross (PPA approx 8k)
WB 75FH estimate $20k gross
No 13th month bonus.
Money Matters (FO):
Basic $5,700
PPA Tier #1 $72, Tier #2 $80. NB & WB same.
Sector Allowance $50 (4 sector)
NB 78FH estimate $11.9k gross (PPA approx 5.7k)
No 13th month bonus.
Notional Allowance B737 for 1st year and during Phase out after 6 years
Top up based on planned A320 FH.
After 6 years. Transition to A320 / B787.
Natural progression: NB-NB (Company-sponsored).
Opted progession: NB-WB based on opportunity (50% co-payment).
3 years training bond.
Day-Off call-up compensation
Captain $500, FO $333
25 days Annual Leave NB.
Bidding once yearly.
Priority by Seniority.
Roster released every 22nd of month for next.
Scoot VPFO's words:
Transfer based on MI's ability to release.
No guarantees on bond novation.
Thanks bubble for the really detailed reply. Myself and I’m sure others are very appreciative.
May I ask, with all the hiring of direct entry captains, why is FO to CA progression still 3-4 years- is this an average due to the lower experience levels?
May I ask, with all the hiring of direct entry captains, why is FO to CA progression still 3-4 years- is this an average due to the lower experience levels?
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sector allowance 80$/ per 4 sector... what does that mean? is that $20 per leg? is that per diem?
Fixed Term Contract (mainly for foreigners):
3 years, remuneration 30k... is that like a completion bonus or like a re-contract bonus?
thanks,
Fixed Term Contract (mainly for foreigners):
3 years, remuneration 30k... is that like a completion bonus or like a re-contract bonus?
thanks,
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sad FACT.... company run by moron 22yr HR girls. MNGT Pilots have very little say in recruitment and also who stays and goes... In all a very toxic environment to work in....
Low pay, no lifestyle roster, never getting your promised off days, constant roster instability, non existent union run by eunuch, bonds that are not realistic, a dicking around and all high and mighty HR dept plus SG being expensive to live.
Stay away guys and girls...has the potential to be a good gig if they fix problems..... but not yet... will need to have uncrewed aircrafts on tarmac like Tiger in 2011.. then changes will happen.
my 2 US cents
Low pay, no lifestyle roster, never getting your promised off days, constant roster instability, non existent union run by eunuch, bonds that are not realistic, a dicking around and all high and mighty HR dept plus SG being expensive to live.
Stay away guys and girls...has the potential to be a good gig if they fix problems..... but not yet... will need to have uncrewed aircrafts on tarmac like Tiger in 2011.. then changes will happen.
my 2 US cents
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sad FACT.... company run by moron 22yr HR girls. MNGT Pilots have very little say in recruitment and also who stays and goes... In all a very toxic environment to work in....
Low pay, no lifestyle roster, never getting your promised off days, constant roster instability, non existent union run by eunuch, bonds that are not realistic, a dicking around and all high and mighty HR dept plus SG being expensive to live.
Stay away guys and girls...has the potential to be a good gig if they fix problems..... but not yet... will need to have uncrewed aircrafts on tarmac like Tiger in 2011.. then changes will happen.
my 2 US cents
Low pay, no lifestyle roster, never getting your promised off days, constant roster instability, non existent union run by eunuch, bonds that are not realistic, a dicking around and all high and mighty HR dept plus SG being expensive to live.
Stay away guys and girls...has the potential to be a good gig if they fix problems..... but not yet... will need to have uncrewed aircrafts on tarmac like Tiger in 2011.. then changes will happen.
my 2 US cents
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Scoot is a LCC subsidiary of SQ, thats the only common denominator. Nothing else.
One thing foreigners must understand is like every other company owned by Sg, it is run by your typical Sg HR with the cost first Sg mindset, and Unfortunately this HR is "not the best" like what slayerdude mentioned. U pay peanuts u get peanuts is the saying.
From people I know, Pay technically IS one of the highest in the SEA region (SQ and MI aside) but Singapore is also BY FAR the MOST expensive place to stay in. With family and kids, and wife not working, unless you do it the Sg way, going public schools, eating at coffee shops, expect to barely even save at all as a expat Fo. That said, Single guys are gonna be fine.
One thing foreigners must understand is like every other company owned by Sg, it is run by your typical Sg HR with the cost first Sg mindset, and Unfortunately this HR is "not the best" like what slayerdude mentioned. U pay peanuts u get peanuts is the saying.
From people I know, Pay technically IS one of the highest in the SEA region (SQ and MI aside) but Singapore is also BY FAR the MOST expensive place to stay in. With family and kids, and wife not working, unless you do it the Sg way, going public schools, eating at coffee shops, expect to barely even save at all as a expat Fo. That said, Single guys are gonna be fine.
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DEC Bond / Bank Guarantee for Direct Entry Captain
I've heard the Bond / Bank Guarantee amount for 787 DEC is around US$45,000 to 50,000. Anyone know how much it is for 320 Direct Entry Captain? or 737 DEC?
