FLYSCOOT AIR

[Speedbake]

Hi folks,

Anyone knows what the assessment like for copilot position.
There seem to be not much written about it. As well can any one
confirm salary net of taxes is about $10500 US for an FO ?

Thanks in advance & happy landings.

[Speedbake]

Wow.....up to now there is no reply!! What's going on folks? no one wants to share info. here??

[airplanedriver]

I dont believe they're actually recruiting, think about it, they just axed pretty much all the expats on the mainline. So why will they recruit expats on one of their subsidiaries? Last i heard some of those guys from SQ were being absorbed to scoot, this is all rumor though. I applied as soon as the ad came but i had no expectation so not disappointed

[Speedbake]

So if they are not recruiting then why did they have the ad. out there?? they could have easily taken in the guys from SQ who were furloughed and interested to be bonded and can pay up the 50% for TR if not typed!! right? I have even heard they have even taken guys who were not flying Boeing!! and they have given them TR.

[airplanedriver]

Yeah im also quite confused as to why they put the ad. But i think its safe to say that the guys who were furloughed at SQ are are the ones you mentioned, this is the rumor at least, its strange the way these guys work really, just imagine the folks who were asked to go, all of them loyally served the company for probably 20 years, suddenly they find themselves without a contract. Also with the the 787 coming in to replace the 777 there will be no TR given to expats im pretty sure about that, i mean any new recruits

[Speedbake]

AD, am not sure about what you are saying really!!! have look at this link and for sure these cojos don't even look as if they have been at SQ for 20 years time, so with all do respect I really don't know where you getting your info.from???

Scoot launches new route to Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Airport | anna.aero

[airplanedriver]

So what about ur link mate??? They started a route to BKK, whats your point?? The chief pilot u see on ur link has been with SQ for a very long time, yes, they may have recruited some guys last year, but they seem to have got their numbers now, thats what i'm trying to say... Also i said very clearly that its the "rumor" that they absorbed the guys furloughed from SQ, also when u don't get a reply after almost 2 months, u pretty much need to forget it buddy, Safe landings

[Speedbake]

AD, My point was very clear, I don't understand why you don't get it?? the video is clear indication to me and it should be to you these FOs don't look like the guys you
are referring to spending 20 years at SQ since they are fairly young!! I never referred to the CP in my previous post!! that's all am saying.....and matter fact I have
done little bit of research on this great website and managed to find one post by chap who seem to have authentic info. on the airline in which I will share with you
below...have great day mate;

(Scoot's pilots are all hired externally, with the bulk being non B777 type rated... The only SIA pilots are the flight ops management team. They've also taken on some of the old expats that retired from SIA at 62, retirement with Scoot's 65. The airline should be opening up for new hirings by the end of 2012, to crew the 777s coming in next year on. Apparently 777 type rated pilots are very welcome but hard to come by)

happy flying folks

[richard III]

If 777 guys are so welcome, how come there's only a handful of ex SQ guys rated and ready to fly with a Singapore license?no relocation at all, how come they didn't look at the 70 guys whose contract was not honored by SQ ? Wake up mate, this mob is building a database in case business picks up, that's all....and that's the way the Singaporean business mind works...period

[Speedbake]

Hey guys just don't shoot the messenger, am just stating
what the guys are saying! you can search yourselves on pprune and find out all the info..

Cheers.......

[Chocks Away]

Apparently 777 type rated pilots are very welcome but hard to come by.

Indeed they are!
Most are not willing to accept the ****e terms & conditions on offer there and the racism/anti-expat sentiment that is growing stronger, in what is a VERY expensive city now.
Remember:
No firm RDO's; on standby constantly and MUST answer phone; no 13-month bonus like the rest of Singapore (ie you work 1 month FREE, on the 28 day roster!); no housing, no proper medical; meal allowances less than actual; no fatigue management; rostering favoritism; bonding in excess of local regs; no Provident Fund allowance unless have Residency (and all except 1 have been refused!)... gone through 4 heads of Check & Training since starting and an expat Safety Manager who left (currently no safety manager!), can't hold onto F/A's as many have/are leaving before their bond is up... 4 Capts just resigned and they're trying to shaft yet another F/O (ontop of the few other crew gone already).

I would think very long & hard about joining such a situation, especially when there's so much better out there.

[richard III]

SB, Sorry mate, that sounded a bit.....assertive? Didn't mean to, just tried to expose the overall picture ....nothing wrong with applying, just don't hold your breath

[Speedbake]

Richard 111,

no worries mate.!!

Royal Navy,

Thanks for the detailed info. on Scoot, I really appreciated.
Any chance you can shed some light on the interview, basic salary & complete
salary what sort of flying hours promised & what is the actual/average hours being
flown per month. The rest of what you have mentioned is merely a mirror image
of my current airline unfortunately!!
the only thing for me is flying bigger machine and that's what I will be looking
forward to and a chance for command down the line.

Thanks & look forward to your reply or PM.

Happy flying

[airplanedriver]

Speedbake, if its command ur after, i very sincerely will tell u, forget it on ANY of the SIA subsidiaries!! They will NOT, i repeat NOT promote any expats, unless u stay there long enough for the culture to change completely, better try the sandpit, its a better option, just my two cents, cheers

[overmars]

airplanedriver:

That's not entirely true. It depends on what you mean by an expat. Do you mean a foreigner on an expatriate contract i.e. housing allowance, children's education allowance, or do you mean just a plain foreigner?

I can say that in SIA, since there are no longer anymore foreigners on expatriate contracts, the topic is moot.

In Silkair, there never was any expatriate contracts. Somehow, the foreigners learnt how to live in Singapore without the need of an expatriate contact.

In Scoot, I don't believe there is anyone on expat contracts.

In SIA Cargo, there are no more First Officers on expatriate contracts. Only pilots on expatriate contracts are the Captains. Foreign First Officers not on expatriate contracts, meaning on national terms, can, and have been, upgraded to the captain's seat. They just have to fulfill certain requirements on years of service, sectors, hours, etc.

Hope this clarifies.

[airplanedriver]

Ok maybe i forgot to mention that foreigners if on 'local' terms like u say may have a chance, but for a F/o without housing at least, would be real hard to survive in Sin and yes i meant expatriate terms, i didn't mean it as a racial discrimination or anything pls don't get me wrong. There have been instances of foreigners getting command, but how many really, and reality is many of the local f/o's at cargo and mainline left for other Airlines cos command would have taken them so long and some of them made it on the left seat way sooner at those Airlines. Maybe it has changed since the time i was a there a few years back. And if its command ur after, go to tiger if u have bus time, or middle east, etihad maybe, better chances.

[overmars]

Airplanedriver:

Hey, no problem. I didn't see a tinge of racial discrimination whatsoever in your post.

It is true that FOs are leaving SIA by the hordes to other airlines. I am not sure about the period like 10 years ago but I believe other carriers offer command opportunities much earlier now compared to SIA due to the obscenely thick layer of FO fat at the moment. However, among the subsidiaries, I think the highest chance of getting an upgrade would be in Silkair and Scoot, just because they have plans for expansion.

With regards to housing allowance, yes, it is a challenge to "get by" in Singapore without it. But, honestly, it depends on the lifestyle that you want to have. You can't live an 'expat lifestyle' without an expat contract. Not without a huge saving you can dip into. If you 'live like a local', meaning, do your shopping at NTUC Fairprice, eat at the food centre downstairs, send your kids to a local school (which is of pretty high standards actually), not party all day all night at Clark Quay... it is do-able. Many non-local FOs are on local terms doing just that.

Ok I digressed at the end...

[airplanedriver]

Overmars, buddy ur absolutely spot on, it all depends on the lifestyle. Thats how it was when i was at cargo some years back, and actually shopping at fairprice is pretty good, better than most supermarkets in other parts of the region. Also schooling and public transport is of a very high standard so it all depends on u like u mentioned.

However, why i left was at the time, my command opportunities were little or nothing, but maybe like u say scoot and Silkair are different now. It would certainly make more sense joining a middle eastern airline purely for command prospects in my opinion.
But where lifestyle is concerned, i would be a f/o and forget command rather than having to move to the middle east, thats cos family, and life in general is what comes first to me than command and career advancement. But, for most probably it might be otherwise

[Speedbake]

Airplanedriver

I have couple of friends that got a job with silk air few years
back now they are both Captains for the last little while. So definitely
the opportunity is there specially if the airline is in the expansion phase!
and yes they are both on local contracts. Myself am not just after the
command but the opportunity to fly the 777 and experience the far east.
I have been to KL several times & I tend to like it. I figured scoot would
be good opportunity given the fact I only have girlfriend with no luggage at
this time it is easy to relocate.

Overmars

thanks for your comments.

[Storpikk]

Ridiculous Terms

Got invited for an interview with this clowns.

First you have to pay for travel and hotel during interview out of your own pocket.

1) After Check you can expect 11,000-12,000 SGD a month= $USD $8870.00.00-$USD $9677.44 a month (Yearly) $106,451.00- $116,129.00 USD
2)Base pay per month $5,700 SGD= $USD $4596.00 USD
3) $72.00 SGD per hour = $58.06 USD
4) Average hours per month 75-85


Now for the training bond, if you don't have a B-777 rating you will have to pay for it
1) either $9,000 SGD paid upfront, or the will take 3,000 sgd from your pay each month.
2) then $400.00 SGD for each month until the rating is paid for which the total will be $33,000 SGD

Then add to this rent for an apartment in Singapore that will run around 2500-3000 USD a month.

No Staff travel.

I said no thanks, no way.