Air India flight operated by cabin crew whilst pilots sleep in J class.
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It must be said in their defense ,that allowing family members and friends to sit at the controls on cruise, notably to take photos, was extremely common before that time, and everywhere, not only in Russia.
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yikes.
but hey, if what hifly787 said is true, being the "inside dope", it sounds pretty believable & logical.
the next question would be, why.
looking forward to the official report to learn from this.
but hey, if what hifly787 said is true, being the "inside dope", it sounds pretty believable & logical.
the next question would be, why.
looking forward to the official report to learn from this.
dear jfkjohan:
For "why" I looked at the article from the paper in question, and noted the pictures of the two ladies.
Both are very pretty.
Conjecture: motive might be someone more concerned with the position of his own center stick than the aircraft's side stick.
For "why" I looked at the article from the paper in question, and noted the pictures of the two ladies.
Both are very pretty.
Conjecture: motive might be someone more concerned with the position of his own center stick than the aircraft's side stick.
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Both are very pretty.
Here you go .seems still valid as one managed to disconnect A/P . :-)
But somehow the story sounds too good to be true. Up to 5 min I will buy . But 40 ?
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My sister and I took an Indian Airlines flight from Delhi to Kathmandu. We had been talking to one of the crew and when she found out we both worked for airlines she invited us up to the flight deck to get a better view of the Himalayas. Just after we arrived the Capt. and F/O got into a very heated argument. They seemed totally oblivious to the fact that they had pax in there. We had never seen anything like it. We beat a hasty retreat!
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Anyone who has ever been to India should not be in the least bit surprised by this story. I'm not. Sadly...
Heck strange things are possible in India, but this is a stretch even for Air Indias low standards.
Here is what AvHerald says
Incident: Air India A321 enroute on Apr 12th 2013, 2 cabin crew in cockpit, autopilot disconnected unintentionally
The truth ??? hmmmmm anyones guess ....
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I can't decide which is worse this Air India or the NWA incident. 
Pilots suspended after 'falling asleep and overshooting airport by 150 miles' | Mail Online
Is it better to have someone awake at the "pointy end" even if they are CC than having both pilots quietly zapped out?
Pilots suspended after 'falling asleep and overshooting airport by 150 miles' | Mail Online
Is it better to have someone awake at the "pointy end" even if they are CC than having both pilots quietly zapped out?
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Just to prove that this site is increasingly inhabited by sciolists, no one has responded to the post by hifly787 stating:
That is by far the most likely explanation of the incident. Unfortunately, the patients have taken over the asylum that is pprune these days and the spotters, sciolists and enthusiasts have continued the discussion with the usual uninformed speculation based on the average low IQ of serial social media addicts!
Jeez, we need somewhere new to discuss these incidents where the posters aren't overwhelmingly MS Flight Sim amateur NTSB or AAIB investigators.
The inside dope. F/o on toilet break. As per SOP one C/C called in but invited to take P2 seat. Shortly after second C/c walks in , incredibly offered the P1 seat. Capt standing and teaching them how to fly a A-321 at 33000 ft. F/O comes back from toilet and all resume normal duties. Insiders say the F/O reported the matter to Flight Safety on arrival at DEL.
Capt Soni and the two c/c are under suspension.
Capt Soni and the two c/c are under suspension.
Jeez, we need somewhere new to discuss these incidents where the posters aren't overwhelmingly MS Flight Sim amateur NTSB or AAIB investigators.
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From AvHerald
Why would this even be a story. I have accidentally disconnected the autopilot in a 330 with my knee, why did that not make the news?
Why have they all been suspended?
Air India released a statement stating, that the aircraft was under control by flight crew at all times, at no time the flight attendants were at the controls of the aircraft. However, two cabin crew had a prolonged stay in the cockpit, during their "overstay" the first officer - in his seat - accidentally disconnected the autopilot probably as result of distraction while interacting with cabin crew and quickly re-connected the autopilot. Both flight crew and both cabin crew have been suspended pending investigation.
Why would this even be a story. I have accidentally disconnected the autopilot in a 330 with my knee, why did that not make the news?
Why have they all been suspended?
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Trying out the new CRM. Used to be Cockpit Resource Management, now Crew Resource Management...
Somewhere new? Your first post?
Originally Posted by Hooters
Jeez, we need somewhere new to discuss these incidents
An oldie but a goodie, alledgedly once heard on an ATC frequency:
ATC: 'Aeroflot 123, Control'.
ATC: 'Aeroflot 123, Control'.
Unknown voice: 'Listen, sonny, nip down the back and tell your Dad that Control is calling him'.
ATC: 'Aeroflot 123, Control'.
ATC: 'Aeroflot 123, Control'.
Unknown voice: 'Listen, sonny, nip down the back and tell your Dad that Control is calling him'.
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Bernard Ziegler designed the A321s for his concierge. He sold them to the airlines with the same message : pilots are overtrained and overpaid, use new generation MS watcher.
AI added "The A320 is the only aircraft in the World who may be piloted by fools"
Message received loud and clear in the cockpit too.
AI added "The A320 is the only aircraft in the World who may be piloted by fools"
Message received loud and clear in the cockpit too.
''I have accidentally disconnected the autopilot in a 330 with my knee, why did that not make the news?''
It's very easy to accidently disconnect the AP on the FBW Airbus types. The disconnect/takeover button on the sidestick is neccessarily very accessible and consequently in a vulnerable position. It happened to me recently when the clipboard slid off the other pilot's table in turbulence.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a very minor incident and when it happens, you just re-engage the AP - assuming you know how to! And that is why you don't allow unqualifed people to occupy the pilot's seats in flight. In our operation, we have to have a cabin crew on the flight deck if one pilot has to use the toilet and they sit on one of the jump seats.
It's very easy to accidently disconnect the AP on the FBW Airbus types. The disconnect/takeover button on the sidestick is neccessarily very accessible and consequently in a vulnerable position. It happened to me recently when the clipboard slid off the other pilot's table in turbulence.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a very minor incident and when it happens, you just re-engage the AP - assuming you know how to! And that is why you don't allow unqualifed people to occupy the pilot's seats in flight. In our operation, we have to have a cabin crew on the flight deck if one pilot has to use the toilet and they sit on one of the jump seats.