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I was in DEL today (02/02/13) and saw two Air India 787's depart. Since we thought they all were grounded worldwide we wondered where they were going. Domestic reposition? Back to Boeing? Inquiring minds want to know.
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there you go :
The head of India's civil aviation authority said it gave the flag carrier "special permission" for the flights, which did not carry passengers. Three of its six Dreamliners were flown from Delhi to its engineering base in Mumbai on Feb. 2, with another two transferred in the days following last month's decision by U.S. regulators to stop 787 flights.
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Air India Has Flown Boeing 787s Since Global 'Grounding' - WSJ.com
The head of India's civil aviation authority said it gave the flag carrier "special permission" for the flights, which did not carry passengers. Three of its six Dreamliners were flown from Delhi to its engineering base in Mumbai on Feb. 2, with another two transferred in the days following last month's decision by U.S. regulators to stop 787 flights.
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Air India Has Flown Boeing 787s Since Global 'Grounding' - WSJ.com
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That was not very responsible of the DGCA When Boeing has to get permission from FAA for a test flight, why would DGCA issue ferry permit to Air India?
I know the grounding came from FAA and NTSB is still investigating the two incidents but flying the plane over populated airspace while the fleet is grounded worldwide is quiet irresponsible.
I know the grounding came from FAA and NTSB is still investigating the two incidents but flying the plane over populated airspace while the fleet is grounded worldwide is quiet irresponsible.
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Shows that the DGCA/Indian Gov is all about money (parking charges in DEL) and could care less about safety, smoking hole in the ground to follow.
Aviation in India in dangerous ! Supported by the Gov!
EU should put them on the Blacklist.
Aviation in India in dangerous ! Supported by the Gov!
EU should put them on the Blacklist.
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EU should put them on the Blacklist.
The DGCA must have issued the TC to 787 in lieu of the TC it holds from FAA. How come the guys at Boeing and/or FAA with the implied "divine skills" not able to detect the problems with the a/c before issue of TC?
That was not very responsible of the DGCA When Boeing has to get permission from FAA for a test flight, why would DGCA issue ferry permit to Air India?
Shows that the DGCA/Indian Gov is all about money (parking charges in DEL) and could care less about safety, smoking hole in the ground to follow.
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Fat Bus, IMO, your statement about aviation in India being dangerous is unfair. Aviation in India may not be Utopia. that is a fact. However, it's by enlarge, not the worst airspace to fly in. Some may argue with me, but IMO, ATC in BOM and DEL have improved over the past years. Very little holding or “Make 360s at your present position”.
There are expats who’ve worked with Air India and have their justified opinions about the Carrier. There are employees of Air India are also employed by the DGCA, thus creating, not only a conflict of interest, but a toxic incestuou srelationship. Many share your opinion that Air India could use a time out from the rest of the world of civil aviation until they get their house in order.
However Fatbus, don't lump the private carriers of India, such as, Jet Airways, Indigo, Spice Jet, and Go in the same bin as Air India.
Now on to the 787 as is what this thread is about. I’ll bet my last Rupee that you were not cosulted by Air India, Boeign, the Indian DGCA, nor the FAA about positioning the 787s from DEL to BOM. There’s a lot involved with Mx ferry flights ranging from paperwork to the route of flight minimizing risk to those on the ground.
The design of the 787, on paper, was cutting edge and brilliant to say the least. Too bad he parts were not constructed with quality, by the parts manufacturers to engineering specifications, tested, andassembled. This thread would be non-existent. Boeing put the parts and some labor out for bid. This was brilliant
cost savings idea from one of Boeing’s MBA brain trust to break the union. Oversight by Boeing with the out sourcing of part sconstruction was atrocious
. Boeing’s ineptness could have led to a catastrophic inflight failure resulting in loss of life. How many remember the ill fated DC-10s and their cargo doors? The FAA gets no award for their oversight of the assembly, testing, leading to the certification of the 787 either.
You can’t even stamp “Made in America” on those “Billboards” parked on the ramp collecting dust. As a side bar, I tell my F/O’s, tongue in cheek, the window latch in the cockpit is the only part on the jet they will see with a Boeing Stamp on it.
Isn't it ironic how the rest of the world gripes about the crappy products from China. America needs to take a look at whats coming off the assembly lines in Seattle and Charleston
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There are expats who’ve worked with Air India and have their justified opinions about the Carrier. There are employees of Air India are also employed by the DGCA, thus creating, not only a conflict of interest, but a toxic incestuou srelationship. Many share your opinion that Air India could use a time out from the rest of the world of civil aviation until they get their house in order.
However Fatbus, don't lump the private carriers of India, such as, Jet Airways, Indigo, Spice Jet, and Go in the same bin as Air India.
Now on to the 787 as is what this thread is about. I’ll bet my last Rupee that you were not cosulted by Air India, Boeign, the Indian DGCA, nor the FAA about positioning the 787s from DEL to BOM. There’s a lot involved with Mx ferry flights ranging from paperwork to the route of flight minimizing risk to those on the ground.
The design of the 787, on paper, was cutting edge and brilliant to say the least. Too bad he parts were not constructed with quality, by the parts manufacturers to engineering specifications, tested, andassembled. This thread would be non-existent. Boeing put the parts and some labor out for bid. This was brilliant
cost savings idea from one of Boeing’s MBA brain trust to break the union. Oversight by Boeing with the out sourcing of part sconstruction was atrocious. Boeing’s ineptness could have led to a catastrophic inflight failure resulting in loss of life. How many remember the ill fated DC-10s and their cargo doors? The FAA gets no award for their oversight of the assembly, testing, leading to the certification of the 787 either.You can’t even stamp “Made in America” on those “Billboards” parked on the ramp collecting dust. As a side bar, I tell my F/O’s, tongue in cheek, the window latch in the cockpit is the only part on the jet they will see with a Boeing Stamp on it.
Isn't it ironic how the rest of the world gripes about the crappy products from China. America needs to take a look at whats coming off the assembly lines in Seattle and Charleston
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I might be wrong, but I believe I've spotted an Air India 787 flying North 12 days ago. Photos taken 10th of April, 11:44z somewhere over Uzbekistan or Kazachstan while cruising around FL330.
What the heck is that aircraft doing there, flying North? I believe they only repositioned their aircraft to Mumbai for parking costs and I would expect an empty ferry flight to fly much higher.
Sorry for the quality; photos taken through cockpit windows and a bit blurry.
What the heck is that aircraft doing there, flying North? I believe they only repositioned their aircraft to Mumbai for parking costs and I would expect an empty ferry flight to fly much higher.
Sorry for the quality; photos taken through cockpit windows and a bit blurry.
