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Old 19th Feb 2014, 23:24
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So on the first 2 years you will be a cruise captain or junior captain on longhaul flights until you are full rated (class A, d or whatever the name is). You may or may not log the time as PIC. But after 2 years or when they conduct the final line check and paired with a junior captain you will be able to log it as PIC. And you will have to sign every logbook. So basicaly is a good gig if you plan to stay 4 to 5 years, not just 2 years.

As a junior captain are you able to fly domestic flights with other FO? Or you need to be full captain?

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Old 19th Feb 2014, 23:29
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"...first officer also log PIC time whenever you step out of the cockpit for a call of nature?"

A stupid statement from a person who has demonstrated some intelligence and knowledge.

Woodja may wish to confirm this... my understanding is that the CSA Expats captains do not have their log books signed by the other Captain, in fact the Expat captain often signs the FOs' logbook.

ELAC, Air China is obviously less progressive than CSA.
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 23:45
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The instructions as to who records what as P1 time on type on augmented or heavy crewed flights varies a little from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. What all jurisdictions agree on is that the PIC may record the entire duration of the flight regardless of what seat they do or do not occupy. Where the various disagreements often occur is what does a Captain log who is not the PIC. There is only one PIC. Most jurisdictions agree that a Capt, who is not the PIC, may log P1 when occupying a control seat in the absence of the PIC. Even here the boundaries may get blurred a little at times.

Keeping a personal log book is a little like keeping your score card at golf. If you play a round on your own, and have 84 off the stick but record that on your score card as a 72 - then you do no one any harm per se, as you are only fooling yourself. If you later pull that card out in the clubhouse and tell everyone you had a 72, and have the score card to prove it ......... now that's a different matter.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 02:08
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Air China is obviously less progressive than CSA.
Perhaps, but at least there's no doubt about the expat Captain being the designated PIC there.

In all seriousness, enjoy your experience in China, but keep your guard up. Stuff
happens sometimes.

Regards,

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Old 20th Feb 2014, 03:52
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Foreign bases

Guys,
Someone already flying for CSA can say how really those foreign bases works ?
You can only be assigned to a base where your equipment flies to or you can go dead-head to your base (as KAL) ?
Is there any line or waiting list to be assigned for a foreign base ?
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 13:07
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ELAC

"Perhaps, but at least there's no doubt about the expat Captain being the designated PIC there."

I would think that the Air China Chinese Captain signing your log book at the end of every flight may suggest otherwise.

You are clearly an intelligent individual and I totally agree with your advice about 'Keeping one's guard up because stuff happens', which is required anywhere in the quagmire of aviation.

Back stabbing, bi-polar, mythomaniac's are always lurking...



Four ways to spot a liar (I am not referring to you ELAC);
  • They love the sound of their own voice (talk a lot)
  • They swear more than average
  • They avoid "I" statements (instead; you, he, she, they, who)
  • They have secret habits that are potentially harmful
The one benefit of the extreme Chinese screening system is that it acts as a very efficient filter.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 15:30
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ELAC

"Perhaps, but at least there's no doubt about the expat Captain being the designated PIC there."

I would think that the Air China Chinese Captain signing your log book at the end of every flight may suggest otherwise.
I hate to drag out what is becoming an overly long and redundant debate, but just so it's clear for Mastema:

The Chinese carriers I'm familiar with publish a document referred to as a "mission certificate" for each planned operation. The mission certificate lists, among other things, the assigned duties for each crew-member. If you are the designated PIC you know it, and so does everybody else. If you're not, the same goes.

The signing of logbooks is more of a formality than anything else. I have frequently signed the logbooks of training and CAAC check captains who were the designated PIC's on flights I've done with them.

Regards,

ELAC
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 09:07
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ELAC

"The signing of logbooks is more of a formality than anything else."

All the very best with the future.
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Old 22nd Feb 2014, 17:16
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CCQ 330

Anybody knows if CSA is still looking for 320 s cpt for the CCQ?

Thank you
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 02:41
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They don't do CCQ 320 to 330 any agency can tell you that,
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 22:41
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Medical Exam

Guys,

I am 2 weeks before boarding to China for a screening and just found out during a medical check-up that I have gall-bladder calculus. The solution would be to remove the gall-bladder in a surgery but I don't have enough time for it. My question is: if I pass trough a medical exam in China and they find those calculus will I get a failure on my whole medical exam or this specific exam (gall-bladder) would be pending and then I can do the surgery and to this exam again?
Any idea ?

Thks.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 06:07
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787/777 Training Classes

Does anyone have any scoops regarding the next CSA 787/777 training classes?
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 18:11
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Medical

Seems like you answered your own question as your limited time might require you to attend medical screening. IMO go do medical check and if they catch it historically you can then have surgery and have your doctor send the satisfactory results to agency and airline. Good luck
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 18:17
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787

I was told April time frame for 787. Definitely a fluid environment at CSA from one month to the next...
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 20:16
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Smile CSA

Dear All
I am a pilot of A320 ,FAA and was contacted by PARC for CSA CCQ A330
Do you know any info about the interview and the check ride ,and do they give free tickets and accommodation.
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Old 27th Feb 2014, 02:21
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Why don't you ask PARC? They'll have the latest goss...
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Old 27th Feb 2014, 05:40
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CSA don't do CCQ 320 to 330 if Parc telling you that they need to check their facts.
Also you need some exp.hrs 330 to get a look in.
Check with other agencies you will find out,
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 16:10
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Total Time: 6000 + Hours (excluding SIM time)
Jet PIC Time: 3000+ hours (on Jets over 50 tons MTOW)
PIC time on type: 1000+ hours on A330, A340 or A380; OR
PIC time on type: 2000+ hours on A320
Last Flight: Last flight as PIC on the above types within 12 months
Age: if A330 type rated - under 56 years at date of application
Age: if not A330 type rated, under 53 years at date of application Screenings are on-going.

Isn't this effectively Adverising a CCQ albeit a full conversion course.
Air China ads actually say 320/340 CCQ to 330. What am I missing
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Old 4th Mar 2014, 04:43
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On another note - anyone heading to Zhuhai to stay at the "pilot mansion" this Friday the 7th out of YVR or arriving from anywhere else to do stage 2 screening from the 9th to the 11th.

Cheers

WJP
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 23:15
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CSA Medical

Just a quick question!
Does anyone have any answers for me regarding the CSA Medical? Specifically the color vision. I am mildly color blind and I'm just wondering if I should bother going thru the whole application interview process if they are just going to shoot me down.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
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