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Old 28th May 2012, 01:36
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I think I've been here longer than any of you and I have to say I agree with the grove.

Jr was liked and could come back if he wanted. The kiwi. No chance. Too many fights and too many issues.

The yanks are all good pilots. I have first hand experience of this in the sim so that's a total crock.

Not sure who you are stork, but you are talking out of your proverbial.
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Old 28th May 2012, 04:37
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Grove-

If you wish to denigrate me in order to make yourself feel "superior" or whatever the motive- then please be accurate. I crossed the Line in 1989 with East West Airlines-Ansett absorbed that operation some years later.

I have identified myself & told you where I live & you have made no effort to speak to me ! Despite this, you have the temerity to keep telling others that they lack courage & are cowards talking from a long way away. You obviously take great courage from "shielding" behind your handle?

I thought perhaps you might simply have a severe case of the "Duck's disease" & that is fine but you really seem to enjoy "attacking" people. I have no difficulty with you defending your friends & countryman but that can be done in a much better manner than what your employing at present.

Please accept this comment with the menace it intends-if you post another attack of any kind toward me- without having the decency to talk to me first- I WILL find out who you are & your tenure in Vietnam may not be as long as you desire.

Have a good day now & fly safely.
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Old 28th May 2012, 13:48
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Hi Tanua, Mate i can't see any posts from the grove that have attacked you.

what gives
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Old 28th May 2012, 17:03
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Hi matey. must have missed all the goings on.
lets all go back to 2004. minus mr pot tie.

What is it with americans and fighting in bars anyway?

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Old 29th May 2012, 05:39
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So, as you can see, it's only the local captains in this airline who suffer from CRM issues, poor conflict resolution skills, big egos and general immaturity. Not the expats, at all
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Old 29th May 2012, 10:31
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Wow! That's about all I can say to some of these posts! Boy am I glad to be out of that horrible airline!
 
Old 29th May 2012, 17:09
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777.
A horrible airline. Interesting comment.

Whatever your problem is, you left to go somewhere else. So live with it. To come back here and throw mud around just makes you look like you're not happy where you are now.

I can tell you that VN has some excellent pilots in its ranks. just like everywhere else. The older guys, me included, have been here a long time. We have reached a point in life where we realise that we are not living for aviation, but using aviation to support our families, friends and lifestyle. VN suits our lifestyle. I would appreciate less of your attacks on the pilot community here.. many of which i am sure would run rings around you. Viets and expats included

If you really feel the need to attack the training department of any fleet, i would suggest to you that you may like to attempt training yourself. Where you are everyones friend at check time, and everyones enemy at debrief time. it is a difficult line to walk as we are all just trying to get along, pay the bills, keep the wife happy, and have a beer or two. The problem being every pilot i know and have checked in the sim thinks he's chuck yaeger, where in reality we are all just mr average.

So please, enjoy your new airline, move on, and when you have been around a bit look back and realise...life is about your family, not your uniform.
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Old 29th May 2012, 18:36
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Glad to see you're all alive and kicking, each other! ;-)
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Old 29th May 2012, 20:10
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Requesting a brief moment of ceasefire please.

I hope R.N. wasn't chopped as well. When I was based in Sai
Gon yonks ago with another Co he was a regular at the Omni.
Great bloke for a beer and yarn and I reckon one of the rare
ones who really did give a shit if you were neck-high in it. Is
he still there and gotten rid of that bitch he often complained
about?
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Old 29th May 2012, 20:54
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ia1166, thanks for all your opinions, but coming from you it's actually no insult at all, I know what the real opinion of you is from most of the crews and it's funny that you feel that you are what it's all about. You've been true to your colors since you've arrived, really no change, and as for you to come on this thread and badmouth the airman you train with - just reinforces what we already know about you. What a very sad person.

RN still there and doing well, and yes, she is gone.

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Old 29th May 2012, 21:25
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What training department? There's a training department at VNA? For real??? Can't say I noticed one? I wonder if they've managed to find any trainers to put in it?
I did notice a lot of oxygen thieves however.

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Old 30th May 2012, 09:28
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Ok good to hear - I really liked R. Thanks for your reply Mr Land.
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Old 30th May 2012, 11:06
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Get a grip 777-200 you sound bloody hysterical. Why do you keep coming back here to cry about it? You had a bad time here and you bailed out, fine, we all got your message. Many hundred other pilots here, came to a different conclusion than you.

You're right in one sense, if you come here and you don't know your stuff or you're a gash pilot, they won't "train" you up to speed. And there is the potential here for pilots - both expats and locals - to become slack & non-SOP & lazy. But nobody's forcing you to lower your own standards.

Honestly it's such a simple concept to grasp - go to work, fly the plane, humor the guy in the other seat even if he's an idiot, make sure nothing dangerous happens on YOUR flight. Go home, chill out - or go partying or whatever you're into. Enjoy all this country has to offer. Enjoy your pretty-good tax free salary. Enjoy your two week holiday every 6 weeks. Feel smug about the fact you earn 3 times what the locals do, and about 100 times the national average wage.

Personally I find this to be the most low stress job I've ever had. It's just about impossible to fail a sim here, once you're in. Compare that with Korean. It appears to be just about impossible to fail a medical. Compare that with China or Japan. Just because you "can" get away with it, doesn't mean of course that you "should" let yourself turn into a bad pilot, or a fat chain smoking alcoholic. Once again, some self policing is required

There are some very bloody good pilots in this place - and some pretty bad ones. Like I said, nobody is forcing YOU to lower your standards to that of the lowest common denominator. Know your aircraft, know your SOPS, stay vigilant, stay proficient, lead by example. You'll gain respect from everyone. (Portuguese A330 captain S.E. is a great example of that, he's a great guy and really really knows his stuff. They just made him TRE on his fleet and first expat working in the safety dept).

If you have safety concerns or you simply can't fly with one guy, then deal with it in plenty of time, through the proper channels, even in this airline those channels do exist.

One of "them" might well stack a plane up one of these days, not your problem, just make sure it's not one that you are on.

And always remember the proverb, "grant me the strength to change what I can change, the serenity to accept what I cannot, and the wisdom to know the difference".
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Old 30th May 2012, 11:44
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Hey, glad you like it there. I'm not hysterical, crying or otherwise. I know my stuff too. That's the reason I left.
Last time I checked this was a public forum right?
If you want to talk about hysterical then just read some of the posts above mine? Disgruntled? Immature? Irrational? There's a dozen things you could call them.
I'm just a regular guy. If you knew me you would know that. I'm not a renegade, trouble maker, sh1t stirrer or otherwise.
Anyway. Who cares about VNA right? I'm not there anymore. I couldn't stand them or their country.
But I honestly think that their heading for some more major incidents the way things are, and it's not just the training department and lack of training/standards. It's the whole deal from the cultural side to the way it's run.
This thread was originally about that. Somehow it's degenerated into a personal slanging match between certain individuals and it's all very ugly and unrelated.
It's pretty noble stuff huh?
That's it for me anyway.
Call me what you like. Hope you enjoy your time there.
Over and out from me.
 
Old 30th May 2012, 12:11
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Yeah you got a point there - once Aussies start insulting each other over '89 its generally time for sensible people to head for the hills. Or lock the thread.

Hope you're all having a good evening gents ... wherever you are

Luke out
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Old 30th May 2012, 12:37
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Luke-

Just to correct a misunderstanding with your perspective on this thread. A lot of the "argument" from this forum started on the Hainan Airlines thread & they both have a page of missing posts?

This makes it difficult to come in & assess where things are at- but -there has not been any problems between Australians & Australians-89 or otherwise.

Safe flying.
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Old 31st May 2012, 21:30
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I will say we pilots are our worst enemies!As for saying the training department sucks is not true. They do expect you to know SOPs and the plane which you should because everybody is already rated when hired. There's always room for improvement with any training department. As for saying the training pilots are bad that's BS! I took multiple Rides with ia1166 and he was better than most of the check airman in the States, also thought the Viet guys where fine. I learned the hard way about the SOP since I was the first American to show on property from Frontier and was not used to a QRH. The Viets who trained me were great guys and did a standup job getting me through it. Maybe alot has to do with The attitudes of the individuals.
I'm to lazy to look at who said all the Frontier pilots suck but some of the worst pilots I had ever flown with there were other expats not the Viets! All I ever heard from the Viets were how much they enjoyed flying with the Americans compared to the Ausies, Brits etc. I'm sure a lot of guys who didn't make it through training flew with Captain Bick.

I will say at least none of the Americans were ever SCABS! And we all know who the SKABS are over there.

It's like what ia1166 said its about pay, days off, and having a good time.
Tom
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Old 1st Jun 2012, 03:55
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It seems to be same everywhere. Most of the guys in Emirates would prefer to fly with an American than Aussi or Brits.
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Old 1st Jun 2012, 05:39
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ETOPS where did you get that idea from? I'd rather fly with an Aussie or Brit any day. At least they can speak aviation English and will buy a beer in the hotel. Yanks are either bible bashing country hicks or Bush loving right wing warmongers. Hoo haa!
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Old 1st Jun 2012, 17:38
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VFE NEXT.
You might be a little bit shocked about what comes next.

IA 1166 FAR offine as regards dreamland

As for the Grove.

He will also catch a wke up call.
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