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bringbackthe80's
just something you said a few days ago (or maybe just the way you phrased it) worried me:
"....and seems a NICE OPTION to upgrade to longhaul..."
I made a post quite a while ago just to indicate some agencies were being more than generous in the way they were describing some generalities.
"Yes" and "No" do not exist in Japan - prefaced with "maybe" well now we're talking.
If ANY agency is suggesting you will have ANY ability to decide to just "slip across to longhaul" as you wish (meeting criteria etc a given) then they are either conning you...or have a very special handshake with certain individuals who are CURRENTLY in the employ of Sky.
Skymark have a lot of mature age "managers" - and presently seems to be a high turnover of staff in a number of divisions.
Stewsan
completely endorse your statements about "...not a lot of love...keep your head down...generally be ok..." etc, good advice.
Agencies?? IASCO wern't into SKY when the "contractual bloodletting" happened regards taxis, two of the major agencies sent reps up/down (it's a hemisphere thing!) at the time...to sack any contract pilot who did not comply.
I know this because I was one of 3 Captains who were sked on day 1 early starts to be effectively told "...turn up or be sacked..."
I am not saying anything against IASCO, just suggesting ALL agencies are the same and will huff and puff - and will do as their money source/customer, in this case SKymark, pleasantly requests....or dictates.
Cheers all
just something you said a few days ago (or maybe just the way you phrased it) worried me:
"....and seems a NICE OPTION to upgrade to longhaul..."
I made a post quite a while ago just to indicate some agencies were being more than generous in the way they were describing some generalities.
"Yes" and "No" do not exist in Japan - prefaced with "maybe" well now we're talking.
If ANY agency is suggesting you will have ANY ability to decide to just "slip across to longhaul" as you wish (meeting criteria etc a given) then they are either conning you...or have a very special handshake with certain individuals who are CURRENTLY in the employ of Sky.
Skymark have a lot of mature age "managers" - and presently seems to be a high turnover of staff in a number of divisions.
Stewsan
completely endorse your statements about "...not a lot of love...keep your head down...generally be ok..." etc, good advice.
Agencies?? IASCO wern't into SKY when the "contractual bloodletting" happened regards taxis, two of the major agencies sent reps up/down (it's a hemisphere thing!) at the time...to sack any contract pilot who did not comply.
I know this because I was one of 3 Captains who were sked on day 1 early starts to be effectively told "...turn up or be sacked..."
I am not saying anything against IASCO, just suggesting ALL agencies are the same and will huff and puff - and will do as their money source/customer, in this case SKymark, pleasantly requests....or dictates.
Cheers all
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hi galdian, not sure what you mean. but what i said was simply that looking at this contract, for someone like me currently on the 320, it seems like a nice job to have the opportunity to change (read upgrade, even tough i guess it depends on the point of view!) to longhaul.
basically a break from the 4 sectors at 5 in the morning! i stand to be corrected, and i have no experience of working in japan even tough i know the country well, this is why i have been getting very useful information on here in the last couple of years. didn' t jump ship yet though.
thanks for the feedback
basically a break from the 4 sectors at 5 in the morning! i stand to be corrected, and i have no experience of working in japan even tough i know the country well, this is why i have been getting very useful information on here in the last couple of years. didn' t jump ship yet though.
thanks for the feedback
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Hi bringbackthe 80's
Any opportunity to upgrade will be at the discretion solely of Skymark.
Any agency who presents this as anything more than a possibility is misleading you - IMHO.
History shows contractual agreements can be altered at the discretion of Skymark - you will be free to accept or leave.
History also shows that agencies will huff and puff - then support their source of income, their client Skymark...and you will be free to accept or leave.
The joys of the contract world!
Any opportunity to upgrade will be at the discretion solely of Skymark.
Any agency who presents this as anything more than a possibility is misleading you - IMHO.
History shows contractual agreements can be altered at the discretion of Skymark - you will be free to accept or leave.
History also shows that agencies will huff and puff - then support their source of income, their client Skymark...and you will be free to accept or leave.
The joys of the contract world!
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Hi again galdian, i must be phrasing this wrong. i would only apply and go for a DEC on the A330, as advertised.
For me personally, getting a 330 job would be a better position as i am on medium haul at the moment ( this is what i mean by upgrading, i mean it like going up one step in my personal situation).
If for any reason i was to go there, pass the selection, and be assigned to the 737 instead, then i would simply not take the job.
sorry for the off topic
For me personally, getting a 330 job would be a better position as i am on medium haul at the moment ( this is what i mean by upgrading, i mean it like going up one step in my personal situation).
If for any reason i was to go there, pass the selection, and be assigned to the 737 instead, then i would simply not take the job.
sorry for the off topic
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Lottery indeed
Playing the Skymark lottery is indeed lots of fun 
Training is now close to 12 months if you show up without a JCAB license, then it's only 8 months
Depending on who is the company checker and/or JCAB checker you may pass your check on your first attempt. It has little to do with your skills and more to do with politics.
Attrition is high here and that is the main reason Skymark is running continuous training classes.
Training is now close to 12 months if you show up without a JCAB license, then it's only 8 months
Depending on who is the company checker and/or JCAB checker you may pass your check on your first attempt. It has little to do with your skills and more to do with politics.
Attrition is high here and that is the main reason Skymark is running continuous training classes.
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Housing allowance
Hi,
Does anyone knows how the housing/living allowance works?
Does the company pays lump sum towards our salary account or directly to the landlord of the apartment we're renting?
How's the roster like for the "20 days ON"? Are we expected to work continuously or there are some "OFF DAYS" in between back in home base?
Thanks much for those who can provides some heads-up
Fifi
Does anyone knows how the housing/living allowance works?
Does the company pays lump sum towards our salary account or directly to the landlord of the apartment we're renting?
How's the roster like for the "20 days ON"? Are we expected to work continuously or there are some "OFF DAYS" in between back in home base?
Thanks much for those who can provides some heads-up
Fifi
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Confirm with agency as things can change (not saying they have but...), in the past:
- accomm allowance Y250,000 pm
- you find acceptable digs, SKY signs the lease and covers all initial costs (bond, key money, grovel-to-the-owner money etc) which are substantial
- rent paid directly from SKY
- IF your rent was less than Y250,000 then the difference would be added to your per diem payment which is paid into your Japanese bank account on the first of each month.
For interest all payments for utilities, gyms etc are direct debit - a pain in the arse to set up (if the application is not exactly completed as required you'll have to do it again...and again etc) and equally a pain when you depart.
Skeds: 7th day (at least) you have to be God, sked made up of mainly 2 or 3 day patterns, lesser 1 and 4 day patterns and the occasional 5 day, generally you'll do 5 or 6 days flying then a day off.
One bugbear is that your day "off" for "good rest and safety" can be surrounded by a late finish and an early start, that becomes a "...yes we talk about good rest and safety, TALKING about these things very important" type of exercise.
Cheers
- accomm allowance Y250,000 pm
- you find acceptable digs, SKY signs the lease and covers all initial costs (bond, key money, grovel-to-the-owner money etc) which are substantial
- rent paid directly from SKY
- IF your rent was less than Y250,000 then the difference would be added to your per diem payment which is paid into your Japanese bank account on the first of each month.
For interest all payments for utilities, gyms etc are direct debit - a pain in the arse to set up (if the application is not exactly completed as required you'll have to do it again...and again etc) and equally a pain when you depart.
Skeds: 7th day (at least) you have to be God, sked made up of mainly 2 or 3 day patterns, lesser 1 and 4 day patterns and the occasional 5 day, generally you'll do 5 or 6 days flying then a day off.
One bugbear is that your day "off" for "good rest and safety" can be surrounded by a late finish and an early start, that becomes a "...yes we talk about good rest and safety, TALKING about these things very important" type of exercise.
Cheers
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250000yen is around $2500.00 for a apartment in Tokyo.??? I doubt you're going to have any left if you want a decent place
Its always No# 1 or 2 in the world as the most expensive city.
Its always No# 1 or 2 in the world as the most expensive city.
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$2,500 will get you a 35sq. Meter studio in metropolitan Tokyo, if you want to rent a house, you will need to come up with a couple more grand of your own! The only option to make that budget work will be to get a house out of the city, you can get a 3 bedroom house in Narita for example for 130,000¥ but the downside will be that the commute will run you (a minimum) $20 each way and it will be 90 minutes away so that you can find affordable housing, driving to work? That will run you $50/day to park the car plus toll, nobody drives to work here! Away from the city you have a lot of options within that budget
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you are correct......Tokyo is expensive. But that being said I've got a buddy there and he seems to like it.
He thinks Japan is much better than China even though it is cheaper and pay is higher.
He thinks between China, Korea and Japan...Japan is the winner.
He thinks Japan is much better than China even though it is cheaper and pay is higher.
He thinks between China, Korea and Japan...Japan is the winner.
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I have lived and worked in Japan and mainland China. I would take Japan hands down. There are a couple decent cities in China for expats, but only a couple.
I would take Hong Kong uber alles.
I would take Hong Kong uber alles.
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The Dominican is correct - totally depends where you feel you HAVE to live, whether you will have the family etc.
In the good old days there were the taxis, they went years ago - now public transport and get re-imbursed so the cost not an issue but travelling time more so, especially if doing some 1 day trips.
Majority of trips start from Haneda (minority from Narita and inclined to use the ex JAL locals who live up that way but you will get some), just as an example if a suburb like Kamata/Keikyu Kamata was acceptable then 70 sq m unit around Y170,000, 12 minute train to Haneda, around 1.5 hours to Narita.
You need the bright lights of central Tokyo then Y250,000 won't get you far.
Personal thought is main consideration would be an area that has good limited express train access for Keikyu Kamata to Haneda and Tokyo/Shinagawa/Nippori to Narita (in Japan an express stops at every station, limited express only at some stations, go figure!)
Cheers.
In the good old days there were the taxis, they went years ago - now public transport and get re-imbursed so the cost not an issue but travelling time more so, especially if doing some 1 day trips.
Majority of trips start from Haneda (minority from Narita and inclined to use the ex JAL locals who live up that way but you will get some), just as an example if a suburb like Kamata/Keikyu Kamata was acceptable then 70 sq m unit around Y170,000, 12 minute train to Haneda, around 1.5 hours to Narita.
You need the bright lights of central Tokyo then Y250,000 won't get you far.
Personal thought is main consideration would be an area that has good limited express train access for Keikyu Kamata to Haneda and Tokyo/Shinagawa/Nippori to Narita (in Japan an express stops at every station, limited express only at some stations, go figure!)
Cheers.
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Hi all,
Is there anyone who has recently been to Japan for an interview?
I am being scheduled for an interview early in 2014 for the A330. I hear there is an interview followed by a sim check. Just wanted to know if they do a medical check too or does that come later?
It also seems that the A330 will be doing mainly "domestic" flights and not longhaul. Anyone with any ideas on the routes for the A330 fleet?
Thanks
Is there anyone who has recently been to Japan for an interview?
I am being scheduled for an interview early in 2014 for the A330. I hear there is an interview followed by a sim check. Just wanted to know if they do a medical check too or does that come later?
It also seems that the A330 will be doing mainly "domestic" flights and not longhaul. Anyone with any ideas on the routes for the A330 fleet?
Thanks
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The interview is a short discussion between you and and one hr type and one pilot type. Sim is also short, mainly visual pattern. This was for non-rated 737 guys a year ago though so YMMV.
Currently all 6 A330s are slated for domestic routes only. Jan. 2014 start last I heard, can't recall the exact routes. A380 (6, options on 8) to start NRT-JFK in Nov. 2014
Currently all 6 A330s are slated for domestic routes only. Jan. 2014 start last I heard, can't recall the exact routes. A380 (6, options on 8) to start NRT-JFK in Nov. 2014
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Skymark Training Bond:
Beginning April 1, 2014, a training bond of $10,000 will be required.
Beginning with the first month of pay, Skymark will deduct $500 per month from the base pay until the total amount of $10,000 is collected. This amount will be returned to the pilot upon the completion of the contract.
Beginning April 1, 2014, a training bond of $10,000 will be required.
Beginning with the first month of pay, Skymark will deduct $500 per month from the base pay until the total amount of $10,000 is collected. This amount will be returned to the pilot upon the completion of the contract.