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Old 23rd Jun 2013, 04:17
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perhaps skypilot is an expat, and your guys are local?
Yeap all of em are local.
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Old 23rd Jun 2013, 06:21
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Yeah no problem Koji I thought you must be definitely talking ringgit, only the other guy definitely said $5000 dollars and you asked him why he accept such a low salary

I was getting excited for a minute there
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Old 23rd Jun 2013, 07:00
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perhaps skypilot is an expat, and your guys are local?
Doesn't the Malaysian DCA have some ruling about no expat first-officers due to the 1000s of unemployed CPL/IR graduates in Malaysia? If so, then how could skypilot320 have been offered an F/O position with this airline? I think we need more info from Skypilot320 about what was actually offered to him, and whether he had it in writing. It appears from below, that he hadn't been employed but went ahead on did a type rating anyway in the hope of being offered employment? Do correct me if I'm wrong Skypilot320.

Originally Posted by skypilot320
he asked me to pay for my B747-400 type rating in the USA,and he will offer me a job starting as a First Officer
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Old 23rd Jun 2013, 08:06
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I believe DCA still dont approve Non Malaysian FO's

TW: If you read on he does mention signing a contract before Training started and then they changed it.
I am only guessing but if you read this Contract it probably says they reserve the right to change the terms as and when fit or something similar in small print. Covers there Behind's if it went to court which I doubt due the cost that Skypilot would bear.

Its happened before asking a Foreigner to pay for own rating, as you can imagine they could Run away if on a normal bond. Some Companies have been known to take a security Deposit (percentage of bonded sum) which is held in trust until Contract finished.

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Old 28th Jun 2015, 13:10
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Eaglexpress Air

Does anyone know if there have been any changes in this company in the last 2 years?

Is it a better place to work now? Or people still getting scammed and conned?

Do they hire Non-typed expat FOs?


I believe DCA still dont approve Non Malaysian FO's
Is this racist policy still in effect?
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 16:34
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Is this racist policy still in effect?
Yes, from what I hear it is. It's not racism; It's protectionism to ensure entry level airline jobs go to locals. Same applies in Australia in that non Australian citizens or residents are not permitted to work there. And what makes you think you have the god given right to work in Malaysia over the hundreds of other local Malaysian pilots already with a Malaysian CPL and fATPL for airline entry level jobs? Although you may have thousands of hours in GA in Australia, those hours means zilch in Malaysia and you are still considered as an airline wannabe seeking an entry level job.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 06:31
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It's not racism; It's protectionism to ensure entry level airline jobs go to locals. Same applies in Australia in that non Australian citizens or residents are not permitted to work there.
Not true. Australia employs many non-citizens or non-residents provided they have the correct permit or visa. Even if you were specifically talking about pilots, there have been many foreign pilots hired in Australia - with the appropriate visa. The point being is that it is up to the immigration department of a country to decide if a person's skills and experience are required in the labour market; not the aviation authority. The Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority will never have a blatantly discriminatory policy that says no non-Australian FOs.

And what makes you think you have the god given right to work in Malaysia over the hundreds of other local Malaysian pilots already with a Malaysian CPL and fATPL for airline entry level jobs?
Well, let's leave gods (and unicorns, dragons etc.) out of the argument shall we? But what makes me think I should have the right to work there? Because in many ways I am an idealist. As a citizen of this planet I believe that labour markets should be more open; we should be employing the best man/woman available for the job - it shouldn't be based on nationality or skin colour etc.

Unfortunately, you're right in that there are protectionist policies all around the world. The fact that the actual Malaysian DCA is implementing this protectionist policy proves the argument that there are better, more qualified and experienced pilots to be found outside the country... and they are merely protecting an inferior product.
Now, before you jump the gun and accuse me of being racist just re-read what I wrote. This argument could be applied to many other jobs, professions or even just physical commodities. We just happen to be talking about pilots in this case. If you can counter my argument logically and rationally I will be open to listen.

Although you may have thousands of hours in GA in Australia
Actually, I have thousands of hours attained on 3 separate continents in both Airline and GA... but nice try.

those hours means zilch in Malaysia and you are still considered as an airline wannabe seeking an entry level job.
You mean those hours mean zilch because I'm not Malaysian, right? If I were Malaysian, I'm betting that 5000 hours including multi-crew PIC would be an ok start? Correct?
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 08:30
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So maybe the DCA is complying with Immigration instructions not to provide licenses to non citizens for low experience level openings .

You are being conveniently biased and a little holier than thou if you think it is not protectionist policies in Europe , US ,Australia or anywhere else on your planet ! Doesn't matter which department does it .

I am surely more qualified than a lot of your local guys and certainly do not think that Australia should employ me , just because I am the most skilled .Is Australia's Immigration department merely protecting an inferior product ? If you can champion your Immigration department to open the gates , then I will back your premise. Until then , most Countries restrict employment to qualified locals first( not necessarily the most experienced or skilled) , it's politics .
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 09:15
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Stone cold,

You're correct in that these protectionist policies do exist all over the world; that doesn't make them right or beneficial.

Australia has allowed pilots to come in on 457 visas in recent years and taken jobs from qualified locals. It doesn't happen constantly but it has happened in the past. But even if Australia had the exact same policy, it wouldn't make it right.

So maybe the DCA is complying with Immigration instructions not to provide licenses to non citizens for low experience level openings.
This may be the case, but the wording that was written before was that they won't approve any non Malaysian FOs.
Now, considering some FOs have 10,000 hours and the job in question that this thread was started over is a FO position on a 747, would you call that a "low experience level opening"?
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 15:01
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I empathize with the frustration and while I don't agree , the industry has dumbed down the f/o position to the bare minimum now . I have no idea , but they may just be prepared to put a fresh CPL in the right seat of a 747 ! It is quite common to have 3-400( or less) hour guys right seat in all types now .

This is a whole other thread , but a lot is not right with our profession now .

It is their train set and as long as the train leaves the station and arrives , the bean counters are happy , f**k experience . It is not much better in the left seat either . The experience level in the cockpit is not what it used to be .

I would say , pick your battles .
Changing Asia mindset ....not one you will win .
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 14:42
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Angel

Eagle is just another bottom feeder picking up the slack from the Umrah / Hajj market over flow due to the sheer volume of pax. They are affected by the quantity of pax SV allocate to then through NAS and other contracts that they are able to secure. As is known by the old Hajj pilots, if you piss off the Saudis you could be gone immediately.

It has been said that allowances are not paid on time but generally the pilots seem to get their basic monthly. It is the Cabin Crew that have been suffering more.

So if you love the disco scene in Jeddah and the cheap beers and topless waitresses feel free to to sign up. You could also look at Pulman, Air Atlanta and other bottom feeders doing the same thing and earn in USD instead of ringgit and also explore the freedoms of EASA and FAA employment restrictions.

Cheers and good luck,

Wooblah.
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Old 8th Jul 2015, 02:17
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Cheap Beer and Topless Waitresses

....in Jeddah???? SV here I come !!!!! Vman
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Old 15th Jul 2015, 17:42
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Looks like they are advertising again for Captain an FO,

https://www.pilotcareercentre.com/Pi...ss+Air+Charter
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