KUL ATC SYSTEM UPGRADE
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KUL ATC SYSTEM UPGRADE
Hello Aviators...just FYI.
On the 12th of December at 1600UTC KUL ATC will be
upgrading the existing system at SZB ATCC. Kindly be informed
that there might be some teething problems during the
morning rush hour at 130000utc onwards. There might
be some unexpected delays in obtaining ATC from Clearance
Delivery. Carry some extra fuel on your way back into KLIA(should there
be any unexpected holdings due to computer glitches).
Hope this could be helpful to you.
On the 12th of December at 1600UTC KUL ATC will be
upgrading the existing system at SZB ATCC. Kindly be informed
that there might be some teething problems during the
morning rush hour at 130000utc onwards. There might
be some unexpected delays in obtaining ATC from Clearance
Delivery. Carry some extra fuel on your way back into KLIA(should there
be any unexpected holdings due to computer glitches).
Hope this could be helpful to you.
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Worse?
You mean it can get worse? Except for the morning guy on approach freq., they are some of the least competent controllers I have ever dealt with. I can't wait to see what is going to happen when they go to three runways at WMKK next year. Now that should be all kinds of fun. That said, maybe it is their equipment. Anything that helps will be more than welcome.
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KUL ATC Upgrading
Basically it is an ATC system improvement programme.
The old system is unable to cope with the present influx of data
hence the new upgrading.Also Mode S info are now
available with the new upgrading. More info about the flight
is available in a tiny window for the Ctlers perusal. No need to
open FPL's like before. Possibly no requirement to pass registration to KLIA Twr.
Italian experts are still fine tuning inputs from Ctlers. Just a bit of the iceberg.
The old system is unable to cope with the present influx of data
hence the new upgrading.Also Mode S info are now
available with the new upgrading. More info about the flight
is available in a tiny window for the Ctlers perusal. No need to
open FPL's like before. Possibly no requirement to pass registration to KLIA Twr.
Italian experts are still fine tuning inputs from Ctlers. Just a bit of the iceberg.
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Veloo,
could u check with the Italians if they can produce some software which will auto sequence a/c to form a long line( with 5 nm spacing inbetween) to the runway in use?
Once any a/c enter KUL airspace, this system must be able to calculate speed and heading for that particular a/c to fly.
Since DCA is paying for the upgrade, might as well ask for a better system which will indirectly reduce controllers' workload.
could u check with the Italians if they can produce some software which will auto sequence a/c to form a long line( with 5 nm spacing inbetween) to the runway in use?
Once any a/c enter KUL airspace, this system must be able to calculate speed and heading for that particular a/c to fly.
Since DCA is paying for the upgrade, might as well ask for a better system which will indirectly reduce controllers' workload.
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Auto sequencing at 5NM
The new system has a feature to auto sequence planes to Point Merge (NIPAR).
Our biggest problem is weather deviations. This is where all plannings are out and we have to do tactical control for the approach. No day passes without some form of deviation. Then again we are short handed as far as skilled Approach Radar Ctlers are concerned. I for one will not depend on this auto system and depend more on tactical management. It helps me, the pilot and the company. Anyway point noted, will have to wait for the 12th nite and with the 3rd runway next year, its going to be another episode as the consultants for the new airspace design is still being searched for. Cheers brother
Our biggest problem is weather deviations. This is where all plannings are out and we have to do tactical control for the approach. No day passes without some form of deviation. Then again we are short handed as far as skilled Approach Radar Ctlers are concerned. I for one will not depend on this auto system and depend more on tactical management. It helps me, the pilot and the company. Anyway point noted, will have to wait for the 12th nite and with the 3rd runway next year, its going to be another episode as the consultants for the new airspace design is still being searched for. Cheers brother
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It would certainly help if they used both runways for approaches and landings, like most other major airports that have dual runways (Singapore, Bangkok, Jakarta, etc.). Why the restriction on using 32R/14L for landings? I have actually landed on 32R a couple of times, but very rarely. It would seem like KLIA could handle a lot more traffic if you used both runways for take-offs and landings like other airports throughout the world do. I think TF was right when he said that it would be better to take the money being spent on the new runway and put it into hiring and training more controllers, as well as upgrading the ATC system.
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KUL ATC UPGRADE. GOOD NEWS!!!
I hope it will eliminate KUL ATC habit whereby, from TOD, Lumpur Control will ask you to descend 250KTS or less and sometimes to clean maneuvering speed, but when you are handed over to Lumpur Approach, you will be cleared direct 10NM final, high speed, no. 1 for the approach and no delay.
By the way, yesterday i heard there were delays of traffic in and out of KLIA due to ATC problem. I'm not sure if it's true. I can only speculate that it was caused by by the upgrdade. Can somebody confirm it?
So guys, if you fly to KLIA, heed the advice of veloo to take plenty of extra fuel.
Thanks for the heads up veloo.
By the way, yesterday i heard there were delays of traffic in and out of KLIA due to ATC problem. I'm not sure if it's true. I can only speculate that it was caused by by the upgrdade. Can somebody confirm it?
So guys, if you fly to KLIA, heed the advice of veloo to take plenty of extra fuel.
Thanks for the heads up veloo.
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KUL ATC SYS UPGRADE
The delays (only on the 1st day) were due to the system upgrade as all Ctlers are operating an entire new screen setup with different colour codes and commands. Too much to explain.
As for the TOD and speed of 270/250kts, this has been determined by the Flow Ctler with the anticipation of no deviations and that all would follow the STAR. However weather always throws in the spanner hence the reason for speeding up or slowing down when in control with Approach. We have no choice but to do tactical control on most occasions in the TMA.
Kindly take note that with effect from today (15th Dec) new 5 letter codes for intermediate fix (12NM) for 32L/32R 14L/14R has been enforced in the Approach Procedures. Kindly ref to AIP SUPP 20/2011 for further info. No more direct 10M finals.
P/s One frequent user of KLIA always refers to the MAHB Flight schedule to see the peak hour periods and prepares his fuel accordingly. This might help some.
As for the TOD and speed of 270/250kts, this has been determined by the Flow Ctler with the anticipation of no deviations and that all would follow the STAR. However weather always throws in the spanner hence the reason for speeding up or slowing down when in control with Approach. We have no choice but to do tactical control on most occasions in the TMA.
Kindly take note that with effect from today (15th Dec) new 5 letter codes for intermediate fix (12NM) for 32L/32R 14L/14R has been enforced in the Approach Procedures. Kindly ref to AIP SUPP 20/2011 for further info. No more direct 10M finals.
P/s One frequent user of KLIA always refers to the MAHB Flight schedule to see the peak hour periods and prepares his fuel accordingly. This might help some.
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What a mess today for those of us flying KL to anywhere outside of Malaysia. Put the clearance on request 10 minutes early, then took a 20 minute delay because they couldn't find the strip (that is what they told us on freq.) and we weren't the only ones. No estimate on how long we would be waiting for clearance or why those who called after us (to destinations within Malaysia) were getting their clearances while we sat there. I know it is a new system, but TF was right. They should have taken the 500 million MYR they are spending to put the 3rd runway in place and spent it on training and a good ATC system that works.
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Veloo,
need to clarify this regarding KLIA runway 32R, A11.
Were there "White Arrows" from the threshold of A11 before the threshold markings (piano keys) at A10? I believe there were white arrows markings many years ago. Am I right?
Without the white arrows, A11 is merely a displaced threshold for taxy.
Yet, I see many a/c start their take-off run (& power) from there.
Anyone, any comment?
Note: Taxiing onto 32R at A11, if one look "hard" at the runway, there's actually the white arrows which are faded!
need to clarify this regarding KLIA runway 32R, A11.
Were there "White Arrows" from the threshold of A11 before the threshold markings (piano keys) at A10? I believe there were white arrows markings many years ago. Am I right?
Without the white arrows, A11 is merely a displaced threshold for taxy.
Yet, I see many a/c start their take-off run (& power) from there.
Anyone, any comment?
Note: Taxiing onto 32R at A11, if one look "hard" at the runway, there's actually the white arrows which are faded!
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Much better today. No problems with clearance, were lucky enough to get high speed arrival, thank goodness following a 738 who kept their speed up like they should (following the 160Kts from 10-4 DME note on the approach that way too many disregard). All in all a pleasant day to fly at KLIA even though we had to take off with a T-storm bearing down on 32R.
Don't know about the arrows, but A11 and A10 closed right now as they are doing work of the first 500 meters of the runway (the work lights look disturbingly like an aircraft getting ready to take-off when you enter A9 or A8, got my attention very quickly last night!).
Don't know about the arrows, but A11 and A10 closed right now as they are doing work of the first 500 meters of the runway (the work lights look disturbingly like an aircraft getting ready to take-off when you enter A9 or A8, got my attention very quickly last night!).
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Gotta love ATC at KL. Told to maintain high speed as we descended out of FL340, but when turned over to Director at FL 130, told to slow from 310 KIAS to 190 KIAS so they could let an Air Asia flight butt in front of us. Had they kept us high speed we would have easily beaten him to the localizer. I am used to them getting priority all the time out in Sabah and Sarawak, but this was ridiculous. And PS, controllers, do you realize how hard it is to descend at 190 knots? No weather to blame this time, it was pure controller.
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Don't do many KLs these days but it is very annoying to
commence descent and THEN be told to descend at 250
knots. With consecutive speed reductions one hangs the
speed brake out all the way.
If ATC would inform the crew just 3 mins BEFORE TOD it
would make all the difference.
commence descent and THEN be told to descend at 250
knots. With consecutive speed reductions one hangs the
speed brake out all the way.
If ATC would inform the crew just 3 mins BEFORE TOD it
would make all the difference.
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Yes it would be much simpler that way, instead of one controller telling you to keep the speed close to max, then the next one telling you to slow to approach speed. Tough to slow down and go down. Descending from FL150 at 180 KIAS 20 miles out is very tough.