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Ok guys, I got the message but I am going for the A330, if I wanted the A320 I'd rather fly it home.
Now that you are in the forum, please give your piece of info on Hainan, and also if you think it is helpful any relative latest CAAC info.
For example, I heard it takes a while for the CAAC to do the license check (after you get through everything else and accepted by the airline).
How long is it really, and can I bring an official report from my issuing authority in order to facilitate things (translated-stamped etc etc), what is it that they are asking for? Just license validity and authenticity, or is it a background check like the FAA guys do sometimes?
This will be probably around April (I will be coming in Feb-Mar the earliest, so I guess 2 more months to reach this point), so we will have the new EASA licenses by then. It might take a while to go through the central JAA/EASA license office (right during the transition period). I guess they do not plan that long ahead.....
By the way, although some of you guys get a bit furious in your responds, you still help in your way with all the bits of info. Thanks again, you are really helping me make my decision.
I think I'll try my luck there.
You might have been away from EU for a while, but I can tell you things don't look too good here. It always looks greener on the other side but from a professional perspective (only) its not green.
As long as my family can have a good level of living, I don't mind flying somewhere different and "difficult" as long as the planes do not fall apart.
I'll handle the rest, besides that's what they'll be paying me for.
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Now that you are in the forum, please give your piece of info on Hainan, and also if you think it is helpful any relative latest CAAC info.
For example, I heard it takes a while for the CAAC to do the license check (after you get through everything else and accepted by the airline).
How long is it really, and can I bring an official report from my issuing authority in order to facilitate things (translated-stamped etc etc), what is it that they are asking for? Just license validity and authenticity, or is it a background check like the FAA guys do sometimes?
This will be probably around April (I will be coming in Feb-Mar the earliest, so I guess 2 more months to reach this point), so we will have the new EASA licenses by then. It might take a while to go through the central JAA/EASA license office (right during the transition period). I guess they do not plan that long ahead.....
By the way, although some of you guys get a bit furious in your responds, you still help in your way with all the bits of info. Thanks again, you are really helping me make my decision.
I think I'll try my luck there.
You might have been away from EU for a while, but I can tell you things don't look too good here. It always looks greener on the other side but from a professional perspective (only) its not green.
As long as my family can have a good level of living, I don't mind flying somewhere different and "difficult" as long as the planes do not fall apart.
I'll handle the rest, besides that's what they'll be paying me for.
Cheers
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Lovely responses..
USMCP mentioned that Why is China Southern supposed to be better that the rest if one is TR on A330. I am and now seriously looking at them.
I suppose that in 6 On and 2 off, the 2 off would be to make n mend the spirit and body...
USMCP mentioned that Why is China Southern supposed to be better that the rest if one is TR on A330. I am and now seriously looking at them.
I suppose that in 6 On and 2 off, the 2 off would be to make n mend the spirit and body...
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Unfortunately, still no reply from someone that has been already flying the A330 for HNA. Urge does not count, he said he just signed in for training.
Its hard to believe that no members fly for them. Oh well...
If anybody knows anything more it would be a big help. For the rest of you that care to give some info although you don't work for HNA, what are the duty max for CAAC?
Urge, just because you recently joined, do they count all your flight time in the monthly max or just until the relief takes over (trying to see how many RT to SEA -or similar- you can fly per month before you hit 80). Per Diem for the overnights or nothing like it mentioned?
Any answer to my previous question on licence check times?
Thanks
Its hard to believe that no members fly for them. Oh well...
If anybody knows anything more it would be a big help. For the rest of you that care to give some info although you don't work for HNA, what are the duty max for CAAC?
Urge, just because you recently joined, do they count all your flight time in the monthly max or just until the relief takes over (trying to see how many RT to SEA -or similar- you can fly per month before you hit 80). Per Diem for the overnights or nothing like it mentioned?
Any answer to my previous question on licence check times?
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WorldRover,
Some of those questions i previously answered on Page 2, so go back and read my posts.
There is no per diem, but they give you an allowance which is around $1100/mo, so just call that per diem. You get free meals when eating at the layover hotels, other than that, you are on your own.
Duty limits per ICAO, but chinese do stretch some rules for the rest and what's not counted as duty, IE. Plane broke for 6 hours, then you need to sleep in the plane to ensure you get your rest before taking off again.
They do not do R/Ts to and from base. Read previous posts.
Some of those questions i previously answered on Page 2, so go back and read my posts.
There is no per diem, but they give you an allowance which is around $1100/mo, so just call that per diem. You get free meals when eating at the layover hotels, other than that, you are on your own.
Duty limits per ICAO, but chinese do stretch some rules for the rest and what's not counted as duty, IE. Plane broke for 6 hours, then you need to sleep in the plane to ensure you get your rest before taking off again.
They do not do R/Ts to and from base. Read previous posts.
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Originally Posted by worldrover
Are we trying to change the world or are we just pilots that are trying to have fun and enjoy our lives?
"As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions."
which explains many of the posts on Pprune. Many post here who only pose as pilots.
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Thanks urge. Can you tell me how long it took you to have your licence verified by CAAC? Agency recommended for HNA maybe?
Rotorhead, well noted mate. Many posers in this forum
Rotorhead, well noted mate. Many posers in this forum
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Thanks for the info, from what you see any ideas on how long places like spring, Tianjin, BCA (by the way, who is that) will actively need expat Capt's?
thanks
Thanks for the info, from what you see any ideas on how long places like spring, Tianjin, BCA (by the way, who is that) will actively need expat Capt's?
thanks
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Cameltoad;
Sorry, if I was that smart I would be a stock trader, not a loser pilot. Currently Spring is doing much better than BCA/Tianjin. Tianjin only got 320's because BCA is losing a pi$$ing contest with the CAAC. Who knows the outcome. Not me. China is La La Land. Just because something is going good or bad, it doesn't mean anything.
If I were going to apply today, I would apply to Spring, but try to avoid the huge bonuses at the end, and get more money up front. My opinion.
BCA treats me great as well. NO complaints in that department, and I think Tianjin is the same. I think if you sign for one, the current "new-guy" contracts require that you fly for either.
Sorry, if I was that smart I would be a stock trader, not a loser pilot. Currently Spring is doing much better than BCA/Tianjin. Tianjin only got 320's because BCA is losing a pi$$ing contest with the CAAC. Who knows the outcome. Not me. China is La La Land. Just because something is going good or bad, it doesn't mean anything.
If I were going to apply today, I would apply to Spring, but try to avoid the huge bonuses at the end, and get more money up front. My opinion.
BCA treats me great as well. NO complaints in that department, and I think Tianjin is the same. I think if you sign for one, the current "new-guy" contracts require that you fly for either.
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Loser! Loser! I could hear this allover airports around the world, even when I was there as a passenger.
Did not know if people were yelling at me or someone else
I was not smart enough to realize, hence I ended up flying this metal tubes, pulling and pushing knobs and buttons like a monkey...
Damn, I knew I should have tried to become a ....stock trader(!) instead.
Thank you for making it clear for all of us USMCP, I am sure everyone in PPRUNE will appreciate it
Merry Christmas everybody, we might be losers but we get the girl in the end
Did not know if people were yelling at me or someone else
I was not smart enough to realize, hence I ended up flying this metal tubes, pulling and pushing knobs and buttons like a monkey...
Damn, I knew I should have tried to become a ....stock trader(!) instead.
Thank you for making it clear for all of us USMCP, I am sure everyone in PPRUNE will appreciate it
Merry Christmas everybody, we might be losers but we get the girl in the end
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Merry Christmas everybody, we might be losers but we get the girl in the end
....the only china dolls going for you would be the " itch-ai-eve " infested gold diggers doing the Lord's work for humanity.
p/s my italics and bold letters.
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Somewhere around 20k, but there are so many bonuses it is hard to add up, including the monthly fuel savings bonus. Over 70k in bonuses comes at the end of months 24 and 36, but even if you get shorted those it is still 18k a month. At least that is what I got from one contract agent.
I don't know anybody there personally, but second hand info says everyone is getting paid in full, including bonuses.
I don't know anybody there personally, but second hand info says everyone is getting paid in full, including bonuses.
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If you add up Spring's total pay including bonuses and divide by 36 it's more like 17k month. That's a big IF because you have to last the whole 3 years to get that money. And a chunk of it is reimbursements only. 2k USD a month for housing/restaurants. 10k USD a year for commuting. They will not pay you without a fa piao or boarding pass.
And the contract has teeth. If you get a serious safety infraction they take 10% of your 12k/year 'safety bonus'. 2 infractions cost you 40%. 3 and you get ZERO. How is that? QAR. Every parameter on every flight is recorded and examined. Capturing the ILS from above and not stable below 1000'? Safety infraction. You got crappy vectors from ATC? Too bad. Taxi too fast? Safety infraction. Now there are levels to these, 1-2-3 with 3 being the worst (at least haven't heard of a 4 yet but there probably is and you get sent straight home like the Korean captain at JuneYao). I haven't heard of anyone losing their bonus yet though. Fingers crossed.
I can say the girls in the foreign pilot's office are sharp and take care of most things. I've been pleased with all my dealings with the company proper. My experience is very limited though so don't take it as gospel.
And the contract has teeth. If you get a serious safety infraction they take 10% of your 12k/year 'safety bonus'. 2 infractions cost you 40%. 3 and you get ZERO. How is that? QAR. Every parameter on every flight is recorded and examined. Capturing the ILS from above and not stable below 1000'? Safety infraction. You got crappy vectors from ATC? Too bad. Taxi too fast? Safety infraction. Now there are levels to these, 1-2-3 with 3 being the worst (at least haven't heard of a 4 yet but there probably is and you get sent straight home like the Korean captain at JuneYao). I haven't heard of anyone losing their bonus yet though. Fingers crossed.
I can say the girls in the foreign pilot's office are sharp and take care of most things. I've been pleased with all my dealings with the company proper. My experience is very limited though so don't take it as gospel.
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Hudini,
How does a Hainan pilot fare with regards to his CAAC license when he leaves the company?
It appears that expat pilots elsewhere don't get to keep their certificates, and are required to surrender them for cancellation before leaving China. Going to another Chinese airline requires a letter of release from the first employer and a re-issuance of the pilot certificate.
Re-issuance may mean re-taking the written and checkride.
How does a Hainan pilot fare with regards to his CAAC license when he leaves the company?
It appears that expat pilots elsewhere don't get to keep their certificates, and are required to surrender them for cancellation before leaving China. Going to another Chinese airline requires a letter of release from the first employer and a re-issuance of the pilot certificate.
Re-issuance may mean re-taking the written and checkride.
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I've only talked to one pilot coming to Spring about this. I believe he had only to take the company PC. IIRC his CAAC sim check and written did not have to be done a 2nd time. Not 100% sure though. I will ask him when I see him again.
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When we left MU for HU there was a smooth transition concerning our licence, no hassle from CAAC. Medical was bumpy for some guys as PEK redid some examinations.
But maybe we were the exception to the rule
But maybe we were the exception to the rule
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CCQ is approved and moving along
To USMCprobe, DualAirBleedFault, and Athreetwenty and any other constant negative posters,
The A320 to A330 CCQ program has been approved. In fact, pilots that have completed their CCQ have been taking their CAAC check rides AND passing. Addtionally, these pilots are now in training at Hainan Airlines. So that should settle that issue.
Additionally guys on the A330 are getting more time off than their contract says, since they are knocking their hours out faster, and can go home with no penalty to their leave balance. Sometimes an extra 2-5 days. And these are guys not on some crappy 6 weeks on/ 2 weeks off program either. Oh wait, USMCProbe says how great a 6 week on and 3 week off roster is, but it's not that one too. it's the monthly 10 days off program. The roster that is really good, but then again that's for A330 guys.
I'm sure those three i mentioned will still find a way to harp on their awful A320 Schedules, layovers, hotels, pollution, and food like they do on every post even when it's not relevant. This was an A330/CCQ post. Oh yeah, USMCProbe works at a company under HNAir, so therefore all 10 companies under HNAir are exactly the same for all the different types of airplanes (narrow and wide-body). When i give advice it's company, not group specific, and it's aircraft specific (in this case wide body A330 flying,skeds, and treatment). My advice is only worth 1 cent.
The A320 to A330 CCQ program has been approved. In fact, pilots that have completed their CCQ have been taking their CAAC check rides AND passing. Addtionally, these pilots are now in training at Hainan Airlines. So that should settle that issue.
Additionally guys on the A330 are getting more time off than their contract says, since they are knocking their hours out faster, and can go home with no penalty to their leave balance. Sometimes an extra 2-5 days. And these are guys not on some crappy 6 weeks on/ 2 weeks off program either. Oh wait, USMCProbe says how great a 6 week on and 3 week off roster is, but it's not that one too. it's the monthly 10 days off program. The roster that is really good, but then again that's for A330 guys.
I'm sure those three i mentioned will still find a way to harp on their awful A320 Schedules, layovers, hotels, pollution, and food like they do on every post even when it's not relevant. This was an A330/CCQ post. Oh yeah, USMCProbe works at a company under HNAir, so therefore all 10 companies under HNAir are exactly the same for all the different types of airplanes (narrow and wide-body). When i give advice it's company, not group specific, and it's aircraft specific (in this case wide body A330 flying,skeds, and treatment). My advice is only worth 1 cent.