FATA and English Proficiency... India the great strikes again
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FATA and English Proficiency... India the great strikes again
Any other Fata holders who have a English Proficient and no expiry date after it running into trouble getting their fata renewed as well???
No expiry date after the words english proficient by the terms of the ICAO Annex 1 and Doc 9835 means you are level 6 the highest...
Anyone been able to get around these people at the DGCA, if so how did you do it ???
I know its probably going to be easier to just go and be tested, but what a waste of money and time.
I only can speak english!!
No expiry date after the words english proficient by the terms of the ICAO Annex 1 and Doc 9835 means you are level 6 the highest...
Anyone been able to get around these people at the DGCA, if so how did you do it ???
I know its probably going to be easier to just go and be tested, but what a waste of money and time.
I only can speak english!!
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3 Years?
English proficiency valid for 3 years?
Dunno about that, I start slurring my words after 4 glasses of red wine!
Does not take me 3 years to be incoherent in any language.
Dunno about that, I start slurring my words after 4 glasses of red wine!
Does not take me 3 years to be incoherent in any language.
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What licence/certificate do you hold? I did run into a similar problem with another aviation authority (matters now sorted).
Certificates of English Language Proficiency issued by organizations recognized by ICAO or by one of the contracting state members are accepted by the DGCA according to its CARS.
An "English proficient" endorsement on an FAA airman certificate attests that the airman meets the Level 4 operational standards found in ICAO Annex 1
www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/airline_operators/airline_safety/info/all_infos/media/2008/inFO08012.pdf
The ICAO English level 4 endorsement is normally valid for 3 years. Since there is no expiry date stated, if a certificate holder's biennial reviews/sim checks are current, there should be no questions about taking another English test, as an informal English assessment would have been a part of the reviews/checks by the examiner, and well within 3 years.
Ask for a current copy of certificate verification from the FAA via email. It should state that you are still "English proficient". Perhaps you'll get away with it.
It is pretty straight forward if you hold a UK CAA licence, as you can just forward your copy of one of the SRG's to the DGCA.
The UK CAA licences do not show levels of proficiency, or an expiry date, just - "Language Proficiency: English". This endorsement is equivalent to ICAO English level 4. Records of English proficiency assessment at level 6 include SRG 1199, SRG 1189 etc. application forms (see link page 16),
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1688/Langu..._examiners.pdf
ask the CAA to email you the relevant application if you don't have a copy of it.
What licence/certificate do you hold? I did run into a similar problem with another aviation authority (matters now sorted).
Certificates of English Language Proficiency issued by organizations recognized by ICAO or by one of the contracting state members are accepted by the DGCA according to its CARS.
An "English proficient" endorsement on an FAA airman certificate attests that the airman meets the Level 4 operational standards found in ICAO Annex 1
www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/airline_operators/airline_safety/info/all_infos/media/2008/inFO08012.pdf
The ICAO English level 4 endorsement is normally valid for 3 years. Since there is no expiry date stated, if a certificate holder's biennial reviews/sim checks are current, there should be no questions about taking another English test, as an informal English assessment would have been a part of the reviews/checks by the examiner, and well within 3 years.
Ask for a current copy of certificate verification from the FAA via email. It should state that you are still "English proficient". Perhaps you'll get away with it.
It is pretty straight forward if you hold a UK CAA licence, as you can just forward your copy of one of the SRG's to the DGCA.
The UK CAA licences do not show levels of proficiency, or an expiry date, just - "Language Proficiency: English". This endorsement is equivalent to ICAO English level 4. Records of English proficiency assessment at level 6 include SRG 1199, SRG 1189 etc. application forms (see link page 16),
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1688/Langu..._examiners.pdf
ask the CAA to email you the relevant application if you don't have a copy of it.
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The DGCA uses my FAA license, and yep 3 years is the validity, but they will only accept it was 3 years from date of license issue.
I called the FAA they said what people are doing is every year they pay to get a new license issued, it then gets a new date stamp on it and the gods of aviation in India will be happy.
In the meantime we are all off to get a hinglish test... its going to be fun!
I called the FAA they said what people are doing is every year they pay to get a new license issued, it then gets a new date stamp on it and the gods of aviation in India will be happy.
In the meantime we are all off to get a hinglish test... its going to be fun!
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I am currently working on getting my FATA in India. I have received my temporary one that is good for 3 months and the English proficiency has been an issue.What I have done, and it seems to have worked, is apply on line with the FAA toissue me a new certificate. Which will take some time to get to me hear in India (I can't image how “good” the mail service works in India 
).And after I did that I went back on line and asked for a " Request temporary authority to exercise certificate privileges". This has the new date of issue and the letter is good for, I think 90 days, and it has an expiration date on it. I gave that to them and seemed to work to get my 3 month FATA.I will get my new certificate sent to me hear and if there is any other questions about my English proficiency that should take care of it.
My thing now is to pass the written test. And it seems I must take an Indian medical...
any study question guides on taking the written test?? in the us there are many such books avabile.
).And after I did that I went back on line and asked for a " Request temporary authority to exercise certificate privileges". This has the new date of issue and the letter is good for, I think 90 days, and it has an expiration date on it. I gave that to them and seemed to work to get my 3 month FATA.I will get my new certificate sent to me hear and if there is any other questions about my English proficiency that should take care of it.My thing now is to pass the written test. And it seems I must take an Indian medical...
any study question guides on taking the written test?? in the us there are many such books avabile.
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Sample questions of the written exam used to circulate, maybe hundred pages of photocopies, but this was some years ago, it was quite helpful.
Also, look for a [blue & yellow?] book at Sterling Book House in downtown Mumbai (I forgot the name of that book but it was also helpful).
Your OPS manager should be able to help you, and ask around, other expat pilots should have some recent hints.
As for the English proficiency, just take the Indian check (or interview), the examiner will give you a piece of paper with a rubber stamped level 5. (If you are former IAF, then you get level 6
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Also, look for a [blue & yellow?] book at Sterling Book House in downtown Mumbai (I forgot the name of that book but it was also helpful).
Your OPS manager should be able to help you, and ask around, other expat pilots should have some recent hints.
As for the English proficiency, just take the Indian check (or interview), the examiner will give you a piece of paper with a rubber stamped level 5. (If you are former IAF, then you get level 6
)
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thanks for replying avionimc...this currentbook I have on Indian Regs 'A Handbookon Air Regulations for Pilots" a 2012 printing now in 2 volumes. Does have400 questions and answers at the end. I was just hoping there might be moreplaces I could info about the test. But I guess that is just wishful thinking.
Iam based way out in the boondocks of India (well maybe not that far out) but sofar I have not even seen another feigner let alone another expat pilot to talkto about things
