Unbelievable Vietnam Airlines crew paycut due to EGPWS in visual approach!!
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Don't have the FAR Part 121 reference, but the Part 91 reference is 91.129 (e) (2) (i).
In essence, if you're conducting a visual approach to a runway served by an operating ILS, you must remain at or above the electronic glide slope.
Fly safe,
PantLoad
In essence, if you're conducting a visual approach to a runway served by an operating ILS, you must remain at or above the electronic glide slope.
Fly safe,
PantLoad
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Your comments on a hard landing & the TRE involved are very naive. I know this individual well & he is a very good Pilot & one of "Nature's Gentlemen".
Not everything in Vietnam is as it appears & that is part of the "charm" of the place?
Your comments on a hard landing & the TRE involved are very naive. I know this individual well & he is a very good Pilot & one of "Nature's Gentlemen".
Not everything in Vietnam is as it appears & that is part of the "charm" of the place?
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"1520fpm sink rate was too much to maintain a 3deg flt path at 238kts." 238 KT GS yes, but any tailwind and the correction for IAS/EAS/CAS could easily give you a 276 KT GS.
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"In essence, if you're conducting a visual approach to a runway served by an operating ILS, you must remain at or above the electronic glide slope." only between the OM and MM before or after it is really up to the pilot to "do that pilot stuff"
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This approach was from the North & they were carrying out a visual right hand circuit at 1500 ft to land to the North-everyone is missing the point-this is much to do about nothing!
They were not doing an ILS but a visual circuit to join the ILS for a landing-its all BS. The conditions were VMC when this event occured.
This approach was from the North & they were carrying out a visual right hand circuit at 1500 ft to land to the North-everyone is missing the point-this is much to do about nothing!
They were not doing an ILS but a visual circuit to join the ILS for a landing-its all BS. The conditions were VMC when this event occured.
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The EGPWS mode that triggered the event was the terrain clearance floor or TCF. The SOP for this is select OFF the 'TERR' pb on the EGPWS panel on the overhead captain side. The requirements are that the approach is visual and in vmc.
The logic is that on some visual approaches, the terrain is not in the database and the computer reverts to a standard model that does not recognize special procedures pertinent to the specific visual approach at the particular location.
This is in the FCOM 1 in the NAV section.
The logic is that on some visual approaches, the terrain is not in the database and the computer reverts to a standard model that does not recognize special procedures pertinent to the specific visual approach at the particular location.
This is in the FCOM 1 in the NAV section.
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St.Ex,
are you talking about FCOM DSC? If not, i never heard about a "NAV" section in the old FCOM 1.
I never even read anywhere in the world that if "The requirements are that the approach is visual and in vmc." you have to turn off the EGWS. Is that what you mean?
please be more precise on your references. thank you.
are you talking about FCOM DSC? If not, i never heard about a "NAV" section in the old FCOM 1.
I never even read anywhere in the world that if "The requirements are that the approach is visual and in vmc." you have to turn off the EGWS. Is that what you mean?
please be more precise on your references. thank you.
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Have you heard about capt L _ _ g's hard landing during fo's training...exceeded 2.4G's...whilst VAC's limit's are set at 2.1G's. No penalty, No reprimand, No issues, No rumors....hahaha.......Just so you know....he's the chief pilot...
The other 10% are acts of god (at least thats what the local hero said over the last incident in Korea…."that flight not flown by pilots…the god saved them…"
Some history…. A320 chief pilot hard landings, A320 instructor declares mayday over FUNCTIONING auto-thrust (chien) , Vice President hits runway lights when landing in crosswind , A320 Captain nearly hit terrain in Korea, A330 captain allows F/O to hit runway approach lights during landing; A330 TRE captain unstable in DAD; both VN pilots sleeping during flight when intercepted by military; VN pilots have heavy turbulence with injuries but continue flight for 10 more hours; VN pilots in prison for theft in japan, money laundering in Australia, etc, etc.
But Expats cause 90% of incidents!!!
I know this individual well & he is a very good Pilot & one of "Nature's Gentlemen".
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The crew was performing a day visual approach in cavok conditions in Danang, report shows that during a descent at 1520ft/min, 238kias they overflew a 1050ft hill at 2642ft RA making the EGPWS trigger PULL UP warning for 3 seconds.
What 1050' hill in Da Nang?
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I recall my Pacific days when approaching DAN from HAN I'd
either do a wide left circuit for a visual on 35R, or just go over
the top for the full procedure. A wide circuit in that the island
to the NNE was a pain in the butt for the GPWS (737) during
a visual - damn thing would start yelling its head off causing
the FO to have to reach down and flick it off.
As for the topic I dunno - VN has traditionally tended to pick
on people who are undesirables. Any more to this story that
doesn't meet the eye?
either do a wide left circuit for a visual on 35R, or just go over
the top for the full procedure. A wide circuit in that the island
to the NNE was a pain in the butt for the GPWS (737) during
a visual - damn thing would start yelling its head off causing
the FO to have to reach down and flick it off.
As for the topic I dunno - VN has traditionally tended to pick
on people who are undesirables. Any more to this story that
doesn't meet the eye?
Hello AC-you have been quite for some time & now have a lot of negative comments.
What contribution did you make to Vietnam or VAC other than "head butting" your First Officer over a few quite one's in a public bar?
"Standard at best"-I guess that sums you up ACE.
What contribution did you make to Vietnam or VAC other than "head butting" your First Officer over a few quite one's in a public bar?
"Standard at best"-I guess that sums you up ACE.
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2642 RA?
What 1050' hill in Da Nang?
9nm north of the field...and the airline spread a flight safety notice reporting as the crew being low on the flight path for a visual....
What 1050' hill in Da Nang?
9nm north of the field...and the airline spread a flight safety notice reporting as the crew being low on the flight path for a visual....
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9miles 2700ft ?????? i never read somewhere that on visual approach we have to follow glide path of 3 ° except in cebu pacific airlines
