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Old 9th Nov 2011, 08:20
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I support all pilot2001 words.

There is another good broker .GPS. Theree are a lot of pilots happy with them.

Avoid Brookfield also.

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Old 16th Nov 2011, 11:59
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Tianjin/ Brookfield

Hi A-3TWENTY What are your complains against Brookfield Aviation? Did you work for them ? Are far are you in the recruitment process with Tianjin?
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Old 19th Nov 2011, 13:41
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Did my medical for TJA some 2 months ago, and am today still waiting for the sim assessment.
What about the other guys who were also there end of Sept. Any news?
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Old 19th Nov 2011, 21:04
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They have one 320 and but they are not flying it yet. I believe it is still getting an interior installed.
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Old 21st Nov 2011, 06:13
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I stand corrected. Just had a Tianjin jumpseater and he said they have flown it "a few times".
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Old 23rd Nov 2011, 14:21
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The E190 contract just got a significant pay raise, FYI.
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Old 26th Nov 2011, 05:37
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What is significant?
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Old 27th Nov 2011, 01:39
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Our FO's (BCA) said that Chinese Embraer RJ guys are making more than almost every other aircraft type in China. There are very few of them, and everybody wants to fly something bigger. Good place for an underpaid European or N.A. commuter pilot. That is more than double the take home pay of most regional captains in the US, and Chinese tax is paid. In US tax law, you own nothing, or almost nothing back home as Chinese tax is slightly higher than US tax.
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Old 28th Nov 2011, 00:38
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$190k + overtime for E170/E190 rated PICs.
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Old 28th Nov 2011, 03:32
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The first thing you need to understand when working on a Chinese contract is: don't believe everything they tell you, although I have had several friends go to work there, none have received the salary as advertised.
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Old 28th Nov 2011, 08:03
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Surprised!!!

Actually at Tianjin we have received exactly what was advertised so no reason to think these pay rises will be any different.
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When does the pay start? Upon passing of the CAAC Written, sim, before that?

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Old 2nd Dec 2011, 10:29
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Dream Land;
Thanks DL, I guess you don't consider me one of your friends anymore, LOL

So far, and I say that with a grain of salt, we have all received all of our money and bonuses at the airline I work for, and have heard the same about Tianjin, so far. If the economy turns sour, all bets are off. Same same in the "real world". 30,000 legacy airline pilots in the US have lost their pensions and 40 percent of their "promised" pay in the last 10 years, me included. 10,000 more soon to follow this year with the bankruptcy of AMR.

When does the pay start? I believe Tianjin is the same as my airline, which is you get partial pay until you pass your line check, but your pay starts the day you "register" with the airline, which should be within a day or a few days of arriving.

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Have fun reading the SOP

4) Checklist
The main function of checklist is to check possible mistakes.
For normal operation, checklist is not to be used for checking a lot of mistakes, but the mistakes found by checklist are normally can be easily found by other ways. Checklist is especially used for checking the missed mistakes in the normal operation and monitoring (including individual and team). That is, checklist can find the missed mistakes even you are focusing on monitoring.
The regulation of using checklist is the valuable experience of what had happened before with high cost and scientific treasures summarized from the bloody accident.

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Old 7th Dec 2011, 16:55
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what do you pay for rent? how do you get paid? direct deposit? What about banks? looking for any info? thanks
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hey everyone. I along with some other colleagues from the US are interviewing in St. Louis with Tianjin from the PARC recruiters. We are going for the 190 transition from the 145. The information has been great but just had a few questions from some current Tianjin guys....

Are you locked into the contracts for three years or can you terminate prior? Any insight into the initial screening simulator session? Any guys from the states have any insight on how the taxes were handled from the US standpoint?
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 13:34
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I work for the sister airline for Tianjin, but not Tianjin itself.

1. Parc is good. Work for no other.
2. Study your #$@% off for the sim. You will have multiple emergencies simulating missile strikes. They want to see if you can get it on the ground.

3. If they are like my airline, they give you a Chinese tax certificate. Pmail me for details. You should owe no tax in the US, legally.

4. Any other questions, please pmail me.

It is a great gig for a Rj guy from the states, or anywhere else.
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 14:10
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they give you a Chinese tax certificate
Brilliant piece of paper. Completely indecipherable outside of China so you can tell your revenue man exactly what you like.
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 16:51
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Tianjin Rent - 2 bedroom will cost about 1100USD/month. 1 Month deposit, a building service fee or elevator fee as the locals call it, and rent is paid in increments of 3, 4, 6, or 12 months. Agencies are used but English is not widely spoken. The contracts will be in Chinese so you must provide your own translator. There is a 5%/monthly rent police tax that must be paid.

Direct deposit is available and used by the company. ICBC is used and you will get a debit card that works everywhere.

The amount transferable outside China was believed limited yearly but friends in Shanghai are telling me if you go to the bank with your pay statement you can transfer money based on your income. I have heard the transfer is relatively cheap. You could set up an account in Honk Kong too during a visa run.

Utilities are prepaid. You will get a card and put credit it and insert it into the meters for your unit. Mobile phones are prepaid too as well as your internet.
Electronic banking is prevalent. Utilities are cheap in China.

I use Baloun & Company, LLC . Contact Jim Hill for CPA. He can work over your taxes. Pro Diem is a good site that will maximize your per diem into charted and table for for your CPA.

You are required to pay taxes after approx 92k if you have worked outside of the US and passed the bona fide overseas IRS tests. It mainly states you are working outside the US and staying outside the US for approx 330 days of the year and your income is from overseas. You can use the Chinese taxes, paid by the company, against your taxes in the US. The trick is you can use either the overseas deduction or the taxes paid overseas. Most likely the taxes paid overseas will be more so you will probably pay nothing.

The social security tax due is dependent on your contract if you are an independent contractor or employee. SS tax is approx 15%

State taxes depend on each States rules but if you make any rent from a house then you most likely will need to pay State taxes.

Before you come out here consult a CPA. Understand your liabilities especially if you intend to commute. That 2 week holiday in Hawaii combined with a 2 week Xmas stint may take some tax money out of your pocket.

The contracts now are written with 3 month notices. This means you or the company can terminate with a 3 month notice. If you terminate prior to this then there is 4K penalty.

USMCProbe hits it on the head for the simulator. It is done in a 1980s style.
You'll want to brief and they will want to take off immediately. There is no warm up time and you may get the V1 cut on the first take off with a recovery then a wind shear followed by a TCAS then engine fire on vectors with an electrical failure. Multiples are common here. Stick handling is the most important to them. You are lucky. You will most likely have another English speaker in your seat. I had a 0 hour F/O who never flew a jet and could barely speak English. (This will be your sim training so get used to it) When you hit the line the pilots you are assigned will speak more English. (I didn't say good just more)

Most pass the initial sim and eval by the company. DON'T give up that seniority number just yet. This is very important because once you come to China you must do a CAAC check. This is the one that most people fail. The smallest things can set off the inspector. What they think is important does not jive with ours. And there are some rules that are not published in English. Part of it is just luck but here even more so because you didn't know you had to query even during vectors a descent below the MSA.

The ATP written is luck too. It is completely random and there is a fair bit of info already on the boards. People are allowed to take the test again if they fail and it does happen. The hardest part is the section on the history of ICAO and Chinese regulation and Chinese agency names. You may have one question on these or 20.

The medical is what kills another large portion of the people. Again, search the boards here and you will find plenty of info.

If you are a lazy pilot you could be so comfy here but you will never be able to work outside China. Keep your gaurd up. Fly the SOP. You will either return home a wreck or a damn fine pilot.

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Old 12th Dec 2011, 17:43
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As far as bank transfers, just choose an agent that transfers your money to a foreign bank, in US dollars. If they will only transfer your contract fee to a Chinese bank, in RMB, you chose the wrong agent. Only scum fly-by-night Chinese contract agents would require that you accept payment in RMB, into a Chinese bank.

I highly recommend Parc.

Problem solved.
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