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See SIA's (I assume) Low Cost start up advertising in Flight for crews. Any information on Tand Cs, aircraft, routes etc.? Long haul Low Cost has got to be better than Lo Co bungee jumping. Night stops even!!
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Saw the ad in flight international mag yesterday, Aircraft is B777 and they clearly stated that everything is in Local terms. They are planing to operate many flights into India and the far east to compete with other low cost airlines. Personally I dont think it will be worth jumping if you are currently well off on the B777 currently and I am sure that the $$$ would be way below the main SIA fleets.
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No doubt if they are offering type ratings ( not seen the advert ) there will be a swarm of pilots prepared to take local terms just for a B777 rating though you have to stay almost 6 years and give a bank guarantee as well.
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The pay won't be low. All the airlines in Singapore pays pretty much the same just like the airlines in the Middle East.
By flying 80 hours a month Captains at Jetstarasia, Tiger, Silk, even the mainline SQ get about similar pay. The only differences would be the longevity in the company might make one salary higher in the mainline SIA. It will be local terms without any allowances.
Hope that helps.
By flying 80 hours a month Captains at Jetstarasia, Tiger, Silk, even the mainline SQ get about similar pay. The only differences would be the longevity in the company might make one salary higher in the mainline SIA. It will be local terms without any allowances.
Hope that helps.
No doubt if they are offering type ratings ( not seen the advert ) there will be a swarm of pilots prepared to take local terms just for a B777 rating though you have to stay almost 6 years and give a bank guarantee as well.
TRAINING: Selected pilots without a B777 rating will undergo a conversion and be expected to fund 50% of the costs.
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That is interesting in that SIA are now requiring payment of 50% of the cost.
When I joined as a DEC on the A340 from memory bank guarantee was around S$50000 and total bondage ( which was assumed to be the cost of conversion course which always seemed to have no bearing to what it must have cost SIA was around S$220,000)
On the B744 bank guarantee was S$60,000 and total bondage around S$250,000
At least with the bank guarantee you got it back provided you stayed 5 years from being checked out on the line. Are they going to keep this 50% of training costs or return it???? If not then it sounds like a very bad deal. How do they expect you to fund these training costs and what are the figures???????????$$$$$$$$$$??? SIA will include the salary you are paid during training which can take up to 3 months to complete as part of training costs no doubt. Even the cost of the ticket to get you over and to get CAAS licence etc etc knowing them.
I very much doubt if the terms will be good enough to attract a B777 rated Captain
When I joined as a DEC on the A340 from memory bank guarantee was around S$50000 and total bondage ( which was assumed to be the cost of conversion course which always seemed to have no bearing to what it must have cost SIA was around S$220,000)
On the B744 bank guarantee was S$60,000 and total bondage around S$250,000
At least with the bank guarantee you got it back provided you stayed 5 years from being checked out on the line. Are they going to keep this 50% of training costs or return it???? If not then it sounds like a very bad deal. How do they expect you to fund these training costs and what are the figures???????????$$$$$$$$$$??? SIA will include the salary you are paid during training which can take up to 3 months to complete as part of training costs no doubt. Even the cost of the ticket to get you over and to get CAAS licence etc etc knowing them.
I very much doubt if the terms will be good enough to attract a B777 rated Captain
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Had a look at the advert, can't believe that they can be this arrogant. All there is, was "competitive remuneration"? I recall years ago when I was contemplating joining, we get the full illustration of pay package from A to Z.
Spoke to some of my mates in SingAir, looks like their main target is non rated desperate regional LoCo pilots, which they are sure to find thousands applying, apart from many more from Europe and US.
Not good for those who are 777 rated now, looks like cheap drivers will be readily available in few years time to flood the market once they finish serving their bond.
Spoke to some of my mates in SingAir, looks like their main target is non rated desperate regional LoCo pilots, which they are sure to find thousands applying, apart from many more from Europe and US.
Not good for those who are 777 rated now, looks like cheap drivers will be readily available in few years time to flood the market once they finish serving their bond.
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Why not disclose the whole package so it can be ripped to shreds or at least start hearing other views on the package.
As break break said SIA always published in full the whole package on the back page of Flight for years. Why the secrecy now??
Why not disclose the whole package so it can be ripped to shreds or at least start hearing other views on the package.
As break break said SIA always published in full the whole package on the back page of Flight for years. Why the secrecy now??
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SIA are still fine I guess. I was s with a cadet p, at the airlines nearby. I guess they did not know what to do with me either take me as from Africa or EU or Asia. Just started to apply, while taking paid vacations from cancer and aviation, but I feel good with the helicopters, since I could not really assure myself with flying at permanent basis. I was wondering by the way what had happened with VF he had a brain turmour. I want him to fly I need to check the c and a field again, but I will be going for a short vacations.
Break- Break - and all - it is hard to believe just how arrogant an airline SQ can be. Just go back a while and see what they were initially offering for SQ Cargo. Those packages were an insult to the aviation community. With very few joiners, in the early days, rapidly and steadily the packages were improved.
Having a look at the online advert.
BENEFITS: Concessional air travel on company’s services for employee, spouse and children.
Annual leave and medical allowances.
SQ staff travel is most likely the worst in the world - if that's a benefit forget it.
Tenure is national terms - so there is no school allowance, no housing allowance. Good luck to anyone moving to Sin with a wife and children requiring international schooling.
HR will push out a package that is bouncing off the bottom - don't rush into it!
Having a look at the online advert.
BENEFITS: Concessional air travel on company’s services for employee, spouse and children.
Annual leave and medical allowances.
SQ staff travel is most likely the worst in the world - if that's a benefit forget it.
Tenure is national terms - so there is no school allowance, no housing allowance. Good luck to anyone moving to Sin with a wife and children requiring international schooling.
HR will push out a package that is bouncing off the bottom - don't rush into it!
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CDRW,
Thanks for the insight. I have been staying put at where I am, since there's no better option for me on the 380. Am rated and heavy on 777 hours since almost a decade ago and not many outfits offer viable alternative comparatively.
Despite the fact that I don't require any additional perks like children education or staff travel benefits, I will not move to any airline offering inferior pay condition. I have vested interest to ensure that for as long as I wish to fly, I will do my best not to assist in eroding pay package. I mean if you look at everywhere, pilots working environment has become much harsher, and HR does not intend to even compensate for inflationary effect of our devalued hard earned cash.
I do admit, however, judging from the trend of Lo Co development and movement of pilots, the reputable carriers are having good source of cheap and much less demanding pilots. There's really nothing much we can do about it, it's back to supply vs demand scenario.
I do strongly urge the rest to heed the advice of CDRW and not taking the plunge too soon, SingCargo is one excellent example to keep in mind.
Thanks for the insight. I have been staying put at where I am, since there's no better option for me on the 380. Am rated and heavy on 777 hours since almost a decade ago and not many outfits offer viable alternative comparatively.
Despite the fact that I don't require any additional perks like children education or staff travel benefits, I will not move to any airline offering inferior pay condition. I have vested interest to ensure that for as long as I wish to fly, I will do my best not to assist in eroding pay package. I mean if you look at everywhere, pilots working environment has become much harsher, and HR does not intend to even compensate for inflationary effect of our devalued hard earned cash.
I do admit, however, judging from the trend of Lo Co development and movement of pilots, the reputable carriers are having good source of cheap and much less demanding pilots. There's really nothing much we can do about it, it's back to supply vs demand scenario.
I do strongly urge the rest to heed the advice of CDRW and not taking the plunge too soon, SingCargo is one excellent example to keep in mind.
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Working for a loco in Asia and this job fits my career aspirations. However, with the current pay packet I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. It's good to see other colleagues in the industry who will wait it out for a job which justifies the role we play in an airline.
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I would trade the 900 plus hours I am currently doing a year for much less money provided there is less flying . This equates to lifestyle and sustainable health and I believe there are a growing number of us that are seeking just that. Off course though if Tiger and other LCC carriers are anything to go by then its more likely to be 1000 hrs a year as a target.
If an airline would structure a package on a max of 70 hours a month they might be onto something. Alas thats pie in the sky stuff.
I think this add is them putting out feelers to see what kind of people they can attract . Sadly they will get enough interest and wages and conditions will continue to be driven down.
On the other hand they could play it differently , developing a new brand that everyone wants to work for with a good reputation .Does not have to be huge money but a sustainable lifestyle package . If they are not carefull they will end up with a huge turnover of staff just like Tiger and a reputation that says dont touch.
If an airline would structure a package on a max of 70 hours a month they might be onto something. Alas thats pie in the sky stuff.
I think this add is them putting out feelers to see what kind of people they can attract . Sadly they will get enough interest and wages and conditions will continue to be driven down.
On the other hand they could play it differently , developing a new brand that everyone wants to work for with a good reputation .Does not have to be huge money but a sustainable lifestyle package . If they are not carefull they will end up with a huge turnover of staff just like Tiger and a reputation that says dont touch.
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They are looking for Indian cadets, and thats because for them Indians are considered as cheap labours. Yes they going to hit a industry low for a B777. I never expected something like this especially from a well reputed airline group like Singapore airlines.
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the indian cadets won't be flying the LCC's B777.. It's written in the cadet job advertisement that they will fly main fleet, cargo or silkair..
this new LCC will be operated independently
no cadets will be taken from the parent company..
come on, they even ask you to pay 50% for the TR, do you think they will use a cadet they spent so much on to fly for the LCC??
zzzzzzz
this new LCC will be operated independently
no cadets will be taken from the parent company..
come on, they even ask you to pay 50% for the TR, do you think they will use a cadet they spent so much on to fly for the LCC??
zzzzzzz