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Old 14th Oct 2011, 13:35
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Boeing "Delivery Pilot"? I thought the airlines themselves take deliveries of their aircraft flown by their own pilots. At least that is what AI and Jet do.

I doubt AI has officially canceled the order. The Govt is going to make a final decision at the end of the month. Management has told the Govt that the 787s are essential for AI as they do not have any medium range aircraft in the fleet. There were a lot of speculations about reducing the number to 14 etc and also a sale and lease back for which they even have leasing companies shortlisted.

Any news regarding AI spreads like wild fire in India. And if what your friend says is true then it should come out in the media in the next few hours.
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Old 14th Oct 2011, 17:28
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Flyjet.....in some cases yes...and in some cases no. A lot of the time, with a brand new airplane, Boeing sends Delivery Pilots, who fly with crews for the first 30 days.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 03:08
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That's true

...no more 787s for AI.
Forget about that, babus...
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 03:29
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@full foward
what makes you say no more 787s for AI?
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 07:39
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The Indian media never ceases to amaze me at their level of retardation when it comes to aviation.

Transferring IC guys on the Airbus to AI to fly the 787 when the current 777 guys just need a short CCQ course is beyond comprehension. Well done TOI and the rest of the rag media.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 14:15
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the B787 'bait' is a desperate attempt to plug IC exodus to 6E...its catch22...but its gonna be an operational(and economical) 'blunder' upon AI.

the 'grey heads' got to realize that the problem in IC is pay...got to fix THAT....'GIFT WRAPPING' the 787s is not the solution.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 02:18
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Two questions....

So, if you are flying a 747-400 for Air India you should not even consider bidding the 787 because you MUST have 777 experience? Seriously?

Also, one would think the IC pilots would be happy that the 777 pilots are moving over to the 787 - that means more 777 slots for the IC pilots - no?????

You could not find more blatant nepotism.... Not a surprise in India.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 02:36
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The 787 fleet will be all Expats.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 12:00
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Lame duck

From an insider: 787 won't go to AI, period. Rather, there's good chances that Jet Airways will take them, as it's much more well positioned and managed. AI administratively is in a complete chaos and there's a huge concerns the aircraft will ever be paid.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 15:31
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Flyboy

I understand how frustrating it can be...
Now collect the toys you've throw out the crib, change your pantys and behave like an educated and good boy...
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 14:59
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I guess we will know the fate of the 787s on the 27th of this month when the GoM meets to take a final call. The management has told them that they desprately need the 787s for some short and medium haul flights on AIs network. But since AI has a humungous debt burden the final call will be taken by the Fin Min.

@flyboy2909: The 787s are absolutely vital on some of the short and medium haul routes where AI currently operates the 777 300ERs and 200LRs which are not viable. The US Exim bank is ready to provide an interest free loan to AI for the purchase of the remaining 3 777-300ERs and 27 787s on order. Although I do not think AI will take deliveries of the 3 300ERS they will probably take at least a few 787s initially.
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 06:28
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Just wondering out aloud. What would have been AI's situation now if they had stuck o to their original A330/340 order before they made a U turn and ordered the 777/787/737NG

So now they find the T7 too huge an aircraft to fill and unlike 9W they have not been able to lease them out. On the other hand i have seen some leased A330s in AI filling in the shoes of the T7 in the past....just wondering.

AI needed the 787 yesterday and has to trim down its T7 fleet ...but who knows what the future holds.
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 09:08
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irrespective of the status of the order of the 787's 8 sets of crew from AI and 8 sets of crew from IC are heading to london and singapore respectively in the first week of november for simulator. the ai p2's are those who went ab-initio on the 777 in 2007....the ic p2's are 2000 hours experience on the 320's....lock in period of 5 years on the 787's. ai is taking the ab-initio pilots because of a rule of only 2 endorsements until command as first officer and no one else was eligible. and no these p2's are not the nepotism kind. and a mix of igrua and non-igrua. no foul play here. the ic lot were chosen as 150 p2's above these lot due for command with all requirements completed and they anticipate their command to come only after 5 years. the p1's from ic are 25-30 years command experience senior p1's. these sets are going for training (i think) for the 2 787's slated for arrival this year (irrespective of the gom decision). in all 108 p2's slated from ic for the 787 conversion over next 3 years.

i thing is for sure. i will finally end up flying more than 70 hours a month. finally!!!!
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 11:26
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@speed freak: 2000 hrs on the 320 already and 5 yrs lock in on the 787 as F/O??

Wow.. I am surprised that F/Os with 2000 hours on type have opted to fly a wide body for 5 yrs as F/O. This at a time when airlines like 6E and SG are upgrading F/Os once they have 2000-2500 hrs.

Hopefully now you guys get to fly more. Btw any news about the pay parity/ fixed pay etc on par with AI pilots which the ICPA has been fighting for ?
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 13:06
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well firstly they get to fly the 787 and secondly command for them in ic will any way take another 4 years atleast. between command in 6e and 787, guess 787 is the winner, though in that batch one has already gone on to 6e and another refused to move on to the 787 and prefers staying back on the 320. it all comes down to personal choice.

though a few more people have been steadily putting in their papers in ic. 6e has become so desperate, they are calling people and asking them to come instead of the other way around.

as for pay parity and the icpa issues, the report is expected in november. majority are waiting for november for decisions. altough flying allowances are now coming 3 and a half months late...
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 13:37
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Do these pilots get paid more for moving to the 787 as compared to the 320?

Oh boy.. November is going to be tense then. With IC pilots wanting parity (raise) in line with AI pilots and the AI pilots unwilling to take a pay cut it sure will be interesting to see how things unfold in the next couple of months.

So the report will be out in November which means the Govt will then go through it, hold discussions etc etc... and then finally take a call. Looks like it might take at least a couple of months before the Management and employees finally arrive at a conclusion.
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Old 26th Oct 2011, 15:14
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@Speed Freak

gonna be interesting to see how IC crew adapt from A320 to B787 systems...
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Old 26th Oct 2011, 15:40
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gonna be 12 B787s apparently ...
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Old 26th Oct 2011, 16:30
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gonna be interesting to see how IC crew adapt from A320 to B787 systems...
Should not be a big deal. Although their training would be more extensive compared to the 777 pilots.

gonna be 12 B787s apparently
Lets just wait for the GoM meeting tomorrow. Then we will know fore sure if its none, 12, 14 or all.
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Old 27th Oct 2011, 05:42
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@flyjet787

"Should not be a big deal. Although their training would be more extensive compared to the 777 pilots."

u MORON...do u even know the 777 systems?
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