BE-76 aka duchess not recognised by Indian DGCA anymore
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Couple of Questions:
1) Are they atleast accepting CPL on duchess i.e. pilots who have done multi commercial on duchess. May not give multi endorsement on duchess.
2) Are they accepting all models of Seneca I-V....as in approved a/c list only Seneca V is listed. Seneca I seems to be the most popular atleast in bay area schools.
1) Are they atleast accepting CPL on duchess i.e. pilots who have done multi commercial on duchess. May not give multi endorsement on duchess.
2) Are they accepting all models of Seneca I-V....as in approved a/c list only Seneca V is listed. Seneca I seems to be the most popular atleast in bay area schools.
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I reckon you can get away with doing it in any Seneca, as long as you write only PA-34 in your logbook and not a detailed type e,g, PA-34 200 or 220. Better not to give them a chance to dig into the finer details of the aircraft.
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Regarding the Duchess, we really don't know whats happening. Even the DGCA doesn't. Like I mentioned earlier, when I submitted my NZ licence 2 days ago, the Dy Director said they may issue a BE76 endorsement and they are working on it at the moment. The same guy would give a different explanation to another CPL holder. Lets just wait for the public notice to come out soon i.e. if there is ever one !
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What I am doing is flying the Seneca iii which has the same model number as Seneca v i.e. PA 34-220T. Only downside is, shutting down the engine damages the turbo!
One MAJOR confusion I have is if I have to do XC checks on both single and multi or just single engine ? And I dont have my single engine comm, going directly for multi-commercial.
Also, do we really need an Indian logbook? I am using two logbooks, 1 small jepp and 1 big jepp.
One MAJOR confusion I have is if I have to do XC checks on both single and multi or just single engine ? And I dont have my single engine comm, going directly for multi-commercial.
Also, do we really need an Indian logbook? I am using two logbooks, 1 small jepp and 1 big jepp.
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@issues
It depends which CPL you want from DGCA.
1. CPL in multi with single endorsement or
2. CPL in single with multi endorsement.
If you want Multi CPL then you have to do.
Day, night, IR check, 250 nm and 120 nm x country must be done in multi and for single endorsement day, night and ir check.
And for CPL in single - vice versa.
It depends which CPL you want from DGCA.
1. CPL in multi with single endorsement or
2. CPL in single with multi endorsement.
If you want Multi CPL then you have to do.
Day, night, IR check, 250 nm and 120 nm x country must be done in multi and for single endorsement day, night and ir check.
And for CPL in single - vice versa.
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the flying hours
for the people goin on for recency and got stuck with the dutchess issue like me .....for CPL multi
we have to meet 15 hrs for DGCA requirements and seneca(or anyother authorisedAC) enodrsement or checkout.
Have any one sort out any ways to bring down the flying hours to the minimum requirements .....I'll soon update on this since i'm workin on it right now....
and previous 8 or so posts were useful thanks
we have to meet 15 hrs for DGCA requirements and seneca(or anyother authorisedAC) enodrsement or checkout.
Have any one sort out any ways to bring down the flying hours to the minimum requirements .....I'll soon update on this since i'm workin on it right now....
and previous 8 or so posts were useful thanks
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Hey,
I did multi commercial and ofcourse my dutchess rating was also not accepted. I never had single commercial.
However, as per DGCA or I should say as per Mr. Vashist, he advised that if I flew single during my private and instrument, I can do recency on single and atleast get my license on single.
This way you cannot have multi endorsed but can start off with your life with single engine. Once you have the license, later you can get the multi endorsement for seneca.
Today, I have a single engine license with multi experience (not endorsement).
I did multi commercial and ofcourse my dutchess rating was also not accepted. I never had single commercial.
However, as per DGCA or I should say as per Mr. Vashist, he advised that if I flew single during my private and instrument, I can do recency on single and atleast get my license on single.
This way you cannot have multi endorsed but can start off with your life with single engine. Once you have the license, later you can get the multi endorsement for seneca.
Today, I have a single engine license with multi experience (not endorsement).
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thanks
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Thanks for the information dude,i will definitely take that into consideraton,
so 10 hours in seneca,can i do the DAY CHECK , NIGHT CHECK , IR check on the SENECA within this 10 hours? and remaining 5 hours maybe in C172(just heard that c152 is not in the list??).
what all shud i do regarding the xcountries n all?
please let me know what all things should i do in US to get myself a DGCA single CPL with multi endorsement with IR?
Thanks for the information dude,i will definitely take that into consideraton,
so 10 hours in seneca,can i do the DAY CHECK , NIGHT CHECK , IR check on the SENECA within this 10 hours? and remaining 5 hours maybe in C172(just heard that c152 is not in the list??).
what all shud i do regarding the xcountries n all?
please let me know what all things should i do in US to get myself a DGCA single CPL with multi endorsement with IR?
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@HarshTechy -- Do you know if DGCA has looked into your mail at least even if they haven't reached any decision.
For all of us, its easy (if you have the money) to get another 10 hrs on seneca and be done with it. I am more worried that the way things are what if by the time you back with hours on Seneca, that also get de-registered Or they change their minds about allowing only specific model of seneca, which is not difficult as they already have specific model of seneca in registered list.
Does anyone know if any pilot has recently converted in Seneca without issues?
For all of us, its easy (if you have the money) to get another 10 hrs on seneca and be done with it. I am more worried that the way things are what if by the time you back with hours on Seneca, that also get de-registered Or they change their minds about allowing only specific model of seneca, which is not difficult as they already have specific model of seneca in registered list.
Does anyone know if any pilot has recently converted in Seneca without issues?
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@rahulsarma: There are 7 Seneca 200/200T/220T in India
Thing is some of them have their CofA lapsed and some of them will be lapsed by July except Falcon's 200 which is I guess still in process of getting its CofA.These being flight schools I hope they renew it, if not, then God help us.
Please do check DGCA's homepage right hand side where you can know CofA entry by registration and you can find the registration by clicking on 'Know your a/c before you fly'
Thing is some of them have their CofA lapsed and some of them will be lapsed by July except Falcon's 200 which is I guess still in process of getting its CofA.These being flight schools I hope they renew it, if not, then God help us.
Please do check DGCA's homepage right hand side where you can know CofA entry by registration and you can find the registration by clicking on 'Know your a/c before you fly'
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Before you guys come to your own conclusions, just wanted to inform you'll that 2 licenses were issued yesterday on the BE-76! Guys who have already trained on it shouldn't have a problem. At least they are being considerate - light at the end of the tunnel?
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One of them was my friend who trained with me in flying school
But he had applied in my March .
Those who applied earlier are not affected by it
But he had applied in my March .
Those who applied earlier are not affected by it
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The existence of this thread alone, is a perfect illustration the DGCA is a mess. There is very little transparency. The fact there are over 190 posts indicates they are not getting the message to the general public in writing.
Any authority of repute would have this written up in the rules either online or in a circular. God help the young Indian pilots trying to deal with these morons.
Any authority of repute would have this written up in the rules either online or in a circular. God help the young Indian pilots trying to deal with these morons.
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you should take a look inside their office. The place is a holy mess and the people inside are the most illiterate and rude people you can ever find. Even by government standards the DGCA is at best ineffective in its job.
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Of course, it will be in a mess. How does one expect the DGCA to operate like other efficient aviation regulatory bodies in the world when 30 per cent of the officials working for the DGCA were hired from the agricultural, electricity, telecommunication and other departments and have no clue about aviation and its rules. Unfortunately, we succumb to them. Ah! Why do we go back to the same story again.
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"Ah! Why do we go back to the same story again."
Why do you lot just keep rolling over and take it? How much shafting do you people need to actually get up off your a
s and do something about it?
India is a democracy it take it.
Why do you lot just keep rolling over and take it? How much shafting do you people need to actually get up off your a
s and do something about it?India is a democracy it take it.
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Its not that we haven't done anything about it. Only if the DGCA was an independent regulatory body that controls Indian aviation. But it is a puppet of the Government of India. Majority in this industry are 18-21 year old. How can they even think of fighting the Government when the whole anti-corruption crusade run by a group of experienced lawyers failed.