DGCA requires 50hrs of PIC x country of more than 100nm from the point of departure..

[elitepilot20]

@tolip

seriously man that's not fair at all but i really don't give a Damn.....as they never actually flew solo hrs no matter what they write in their log books, i am happy to have 120 solo hrs in my log book...at least they are genuine solo hrs.


@vishwas
i'm sure by now you must have decided what to do.
all i have to say is good luck bro hope u get your licence very soon.

[Cactus225]

@ Rahul

So you mean to say 50 hours SOLO with 50 hours PIC ( friends onborad) is acceptable even to the DGCA?

Suprise surprise!

So they really do confuse themselves with PIC and SOLO huh.

[smurf84]

A quick query if someone could answer it - "a flight to a point beyond a radius of one hundred nautical miles from the aerodrome of departure whether over land or sea"

Now my doubt is - if a pilot departs from base and he does not wish to land at another airport due to poor weather conditions (or any other reason) and then returns to base.with that flight covering more than 100Nm - is that still considered a cross-country?

[v1_rotate]

A quick query if someone could answer it - "a flight to a point beyond a radius of one hundred nautical miles from the aerodrome of departure whether over land or sea"

Now my doubt is - if a pilot departs from base and he does not wish to land at another airport due to poor weather conditions (or any other reason) and then returns to base.with that flight covering more than 100Nm - is that still considered a cross-country?

Yes that would be a 'cross country' (according to DGCA at least), ie. you do not need to land at another aerodrome, but you must fly to a point more than 100 NM away from your aerodrome of departure...

(exceptions are ofcourse the required 250 NM and 300 NM cross country flights where they want you to land at other aerodrome(s), so in these cases atleast your first leg should be to a point/aerodrome >100NM )

[josh121.5]

i called up DGCA yesterday and and since i have a shortfall in my application related to the 50Hr x-country , they explained to me in detail .here it goes :

* IF YOU FLY FROM YOUR DEPARTURE AERODROME AND LAND AT ANOTHER AERODROME WHICH IS >100NM FROM YOUR DEPARTURE AD AND THEN YOU TERMINATE YOUR FLIGHT THEN IT IS CLASSIFIED AS A CROSS COUNTRY

*IF YOU DEPART FROM YOUR AERODROME AND ENCOUNTER BAD WEATHER OR AN "UFO" AND YOU PLAN TO TURN BACK TO YOUR DEPARTURE AERODROME AND IF THE TOTAL DISTANCE IS LESS THAN 200Nm THEN IT CANT BE CLASSIFIED AS AN X-COUNTRY . (dont give me that look , its what they said )

[smurf84]

Alright, it definitely looks like they have a different explanation for a cross-country flight. Have you found a solution to your problem, josh??

[josh121.5]

@smurf : yes mate i have , i gotta type out the new list of all corss country's with more than 200Nm (just to be on a safer side ) and send it to my flying skool , and they'll print it and after my cfi signs it , he'll E-mail it directly to DGCA . good thing i have 57 hrs of x-country more than 200Nm ! hope this shud suffice and i get my licence soon !

[zer0_grav]

What if there is point 'C'

Ok lets say, you depart from point 'A' Arrive at point 'B' do a touch and go, and then arrive at point 'C' which is where you do a full stop
A- B = 90 nm B-C = 60 nm so your total distance covered = 150 nm,
and now you fly back home (which is point 'A') distance between point A and C is 90 nm, and then close the flight plan.

Only reason we did it this way because we train in northern Ontario and there arent many airports in vicinity that we can fly to, so most of cross countries are one touch and go, and other is a full stop for fuel...
would this be a problem DGCA?

[guitarboy]

@zeroGrav: dude youre best bet that i suggest would be typing out all the A to C (via B) flights which are 150nm and maybe avoid typing the C to A flights on the certificate.

I hope u have more than 50hours as A to C (via B). why i say this is cuz if DGCA officials check the C to A and find that its 90 nm they simply will say NO to it as a XCountry as thats their Rule.

So i hope your A to C (Via B) XC's are above 50 Hours.

Also if its around 95-97 nm u can still put it as 100nm as sometimes one gets vectored for ILS or has to do a full ILS approach or what not and a direct distance usually does not mean the actual distance.

[zer0_grav]

Thanks for the reply guitarboy, all of my cross countries so far have been VFR. I dont have any IFR cross country time, I do have to do one for my MIFR rating soon tho.
you raise an interesting point, few of them have been about 95 nm, but again it has been VFR flights, so no approaches, what do you think about that?

[bayblade]

@josh do you mean you are changing entries in your logbk as well?? isn't that gonna get you in trouble with dgca?

also i really doubt wether the xcountries are reqd to be 200nm, when its mentioned as 100nm plainly. i say so because it not necessary one might fly back to the base.

can someone please confirm this fact, i'm due to submit my docs soon.

[cyrilroy21]

@bayblade

There is no need for josh to edit his logbook . He just has to make a separate list of cross countries with 200nm total distance and total that up . The entries in the logbook remain the same
Also as mentioned above the distance is 200nm total or 100 nm one way distance

@guitarboy
The rules define the cross country requirements as distance flown to a point which is atleast of 100nm radius from the point of departure .
Its not the distance you fly that counts but the straight line distance from A to B should be 100nm . Only then the DGCA will count it .

For Eg : If you fly from A to B distance = 95 nm under IFR . ATC gives you a routing to fly from VOR to VOR instead of a direct route the actual distance flown will be higher than 100nm ( speculating ) .
The DGCA wont accept this because the B is not within the 100nm radius of A as per the rules

[guitarboy]

@Cyril: dude i only told him his "best bet" in the situation he currently is in!

I know it has to be 100nm one way straight distance but what I said was only specific to his Ontario situation.

@bayblade: One Way leg is fine! you dont need a return leg! confirmed as i did that Make sure one way leg is 100nm and above!

[cyrilroy21]

@guitarboy

direct distance usually does not mean the actual distance

I was referring to your post where 95 nm could be extended by flying an ILS

I agree with your idea of not mentioning B in his case and should only mention A to C

[cyrilroy21]

@ Zero Grav

It dosent matter whether the flights flown are VFR or IFR .

All that matter is the straight line distance from the point of departure to the point of arrival should be atleast 100nm or more

The DGCA will verify the distances between the airports flown on your list of cross countries

[smurf84]

Well, from the above posts can we conclude that if a pilot has terminated his/her flight at the departure aerodrome (A-B-A) after flying a total of 200Nm or more / a radial distance of 100Nm or more, it is considered a cross-country flight.

[josh121.5]

@cyrilroy :i gotta thank you for givin me a swift reply and also Mr.Parthiban's number !

[smurf84]

josh - why don't you submit the original rather than scanning it and sending it to the DGCA email id. Do they accept scanned copies of any paperwork? I didn't know about it.

[cyrilroy21]

@smurf

Yes they do accept scanned copies provided it is stamped by the flying school and emailed from the flying school's email address

[bayblade]

thanks to everyone contributing to this thread, its of immense help.