Contract agency rants and Kudos, Vietman, Korean, Asiana, Rishworth
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wasinc first hand experience
yes - the owner of wasinc is a good talker and will tell you lots of nice things to make you feel warm and fuzzy. unfortunately they don't have the track record to follow through with all the promises they make and have a history of cheating people given the opportunity to get away with it.
they appear to be a nice friendly us company but actually your contract will be with a hong kong shell company they use to funnel money through.
take it from somebody who has been here long enough to have been personally stiffed by wasinc and met many other pilots in china who also got unfair treatment from wasinc. they pretend to be on your side but actually they are not and will leave you hanging and broke. ask around when you see other pilots at your medical check or interview or go down to some bars in shekou shenzhen where all the shenzhen pilots hang out and ask for some stories about wasinc.
you have been warned... there are other choices out there and any company that tells you that "they are the only one that have this contract" are lying - there are many other contract agencies recruiting for every airline and charter company in china. wasinc will collect between $500-$700USD per month as a service fee from the airline for recruiting you. they say they will provide service and support but actually in some cases they will steal money that is owed to you saying the airline never paid them. some foreign pilots are going directly to chinese companies now without a middle man scammer to steal money from you. whenever you have a question about pay or anything wasinc will direct you to the airline anyway so they are useless.
my recommendation - if you are interested in any job in china - search for that job and you will find several other agencies recruiting for the same job. then do some research on the recruiting agency. once you goto china you will be locked in and can't freely change airlines. if you end up stuck with a deadbeat recruiting company like wasinc you won't be able to freely "change" to fix your mistake.
they appear to be a nice friendly us company but actually your contract will be with a hong kong shell company they use to funnel money through.
take it from somebody who has been here long enough to have been personally stiffed by wasinc and met many other pilots in china who also got unfair treatment from wasinc. they pretend to be on your side but actually they are not and will leave you hanging and broke. ask around when you see other pilots at your medical check or interview or go down to some bars in shekou shenzhen where all the shenzhen pilots hang out and ask for some stories about wasinc.
you have been warned... there are other choices out there and any company that tells you that "they are the only one that have this contract" are lying - there are many other contract agencies recruiting for every airline and charter company in china. wasinc will collect between $500-$700USD per month as a service fee from the airline for recruiting you. they say they will provide service and support but actually in some cases they will steal money that is owed to you saying the airline never paid them. some foreign pilots are going directly to chinese companies now without a middle man scammer to steal money from you. whenever you have a question about pay or anything wasinc will direct you to the airline anyway so they are useless.
my recommendation - if you are interested in any job in china - search for that job and you will find several other agencies recruiting for the same job. then do some research on the recruiting agency. once you goto china you will be locked in and can't freely change airlines. if you end up stuck with a deadbeat recruiting company like wasinc you won't be able to freely "change" to fix your mistake.
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very informative thread..thanks all..
Odee95..do have any info on Asiana..any upgrade possibilities there as well??
It's happened in VAC (Vietnam Airlines) Whether you are with RAL or Parc or DPI. The soonest upgrade I heard was a year on the right seat, to the left of the same type (A320, that is). Most if not all, at least two years as FO before you get a chance for upgrade on the same type from right to left. Less than that for upgrade to bigger planes (320 to 330 as FO). Longer period for upgrade to wide body when you'r on the left seat. The company is expanding, that might be your clue why it has upgraded expats that fast.
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Gīday fellows. You mean Paramount in Canada? If that is the case we had a nice blow with them last year. All felt thru at the end as the promise was flying high and the reality was landing hard. ( QR )
Fly safe and land happy
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Fly safe and land happy
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Hi folks,
I'm interested in applying as a first officer for the Korean Air A330 (non type rated) program. As i understand it, this is only possible via Rishworth.
I've read the "So you want to fly with Korean Air" thread, and it has worried me somewhat.
Are there any expat F/Os with them at the moment who can share their experience? (i've seen lots from Captains, but none from F/Os).
Does the commuting work as they advertise? Average takehome as advertised? Anything they're NOT telling me?
Thanks for any information you have.
I'm interested in applying as a first officer for the Korean Air A330 (non type rated) program. As i understand it, this is only possible via Rishworth.
I've read the "So you want to fly with Korean Air" thread, and it has worried me somewhat.
Are there any expat F/Os with them at the moment who can share their experience? (i've seen lots from Captains, but none from F/Os).
Does the commuting work as they advertise? Average takehome as advertised? Anything they're NOT telling me?
Thanks for any information you have.
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Top Flight (TFA)
Steer clear of this bunch of amateurs. Everyone who has dealt with them has been given the run around. Scant information and incompetent staff. No helpers on the ground in China and no interest in contractors once they are hired. Expect self promoting prose from the principal DWM about his glowing career, and not much else.
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BA is the Wei
Roc Wei from BA is very well connected and definitely the best choice.
I was going to CSA but decided on a seachange (with lots of sand), but I would have signed with Roc.
All the best to the guys at CSA, it should be a very good contract once the rosters, etc are sorted.
Heard that TFA are screwing their guys left, right and centre and some have already resigned... not good.
Look after your pilots and they will look after you.
I was going to CSA but decided on a seachange (with lots of sand), but I would have signed with Roc.
All the best to the guys at CSA, it should be a very good contract once the rosters, etc are sorted.
Heard that TFA are screwing their guys left, right and centre and some have already resigned... not good.
Look after your pilots and they will look after you.
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UNIC
Hi all,
There is good prospect for a job as a captain A330/340 with Hainan Airline through UNIC Aviation.
Ill appreciate any comments/advices from pilots who have any experience with either Hainan Airlines, and/or UNIC Aviation.
There is good prospect for a job as a captain A330/340 with Hainan Airline through UNIC Aviation.
Ill appreciate any comments/advices from pilots who have any experience with either Hainan Airlines, and/or UNIC Aviation.
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The grapevine says that the Chairmans Daughter is behind the Agency. I havenīt heared more from them until now but we keep tracking on it. Mybe I need a LAX-flight to come closer and see with my own eyes what and who is behind.
You are correct. The Chairman figures why should he pay agencies several million a year when he can pocket the money himself. Some of the agencies are having a problem getting their applicants approved for interview. Meanwhile the word is FCI's applicants are being "taken care of". Never be amazed at how greedy the Koreans can be.
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GoForIt:
One thing to remember about contracting agencies. You are the contractor not the agency. They are nothing more than facilitators. They forward your application to the airline. They wire your pay where you ask them to and that is about it. They cannot and will not for the most part get involved in contract disputes because they will be cut off by the airline. Then, the pilots they have on contract will not be renewed. They will eventually be starved out. An airline that is very good at this is Korean Air Lines. On a regular basis KAL changes the terms of the contract at their whim. The agencies do nothing.
One thing to remember about contracting agencies. You are the contractor not the agency. They are nothing more than facilitators. They forward your application to the airline. They wire your pay where you ask them to and that is about it. They cannot and will not for the most part get involved in contract disputes because they will be cut off by the airline. Then, the pilots they have on contract will not be renewed. They will eventually be starved out. An airline that is very good at this is Korean Air Lines. On a regular basis KAL changes the terms of the contract at their whim. The agencies do nothing.
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Unic is another scam agency set up in China. There are dozens of fly-by-night operations like this. Somebodies cousin, uncle, etc. I personally know of zero pilots currently represented by them in China.
Go with Parc or Wasinc. Also Hainan's line training is long and brutal. They probably have the highest failure rate in China. Maybe on earth. There are better options in China.
You pretty much get one shot working in China. You need to choose carefully. Unic/Hainan is a bad combo.
Go with Parc or Wasinc. Also Hainan's line training is long and brutal. They probably have the highest failure rate in China. Maybe on earth. There are better options in China.
You pretty much get one shot working in China. You need to choose carefully. Unic/Hainan is a bad combo.
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In the company I`m flying for there are basically two agencies providing pilots:
Brookfield and GPS.
GPS pilots are all without exception happy with their services.
Brookfield pilots are all UNHAPPY without exception. The crapiest service I ever seen.They work very well until you sign the contract. Then problems start.From late salaries to rude(very rude) threatment.Incompetents and unpolite. They never hear what you have to say.You are always wrong.It came to a point , that now pilots solve their problems directly with the company (which is very nice and honest) and ask company to comunicate them.
Go wherever you want but not with them.
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Brookfield and GPS.
GPS pilots are all without exception happy with their services.
Brookfield pilots are all UNHAPPY without exception. The crapiest service I ever seen.They work very well until you sign the contract. Then problems start.From late salaries to rude(very rude) threatment.Incompetents and unpolite. They never hear what you have to say.You are always wrong.It came to a point , that now pilots solve their problems directly with the company (which is very nice and honest) and ask company to comunicate them.
Go wherever you want but not with them.
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China S
Just about to finish line flying with CSAIR and frankly so far so good .
I think there have been issues, but softly softly getting results.
The guys that left did so for their own reasons. GB appeared to be happier in EK doing 92+ hours per month across 20 hours of time zone each month , MK took a slot with Amiri better money less flying but Qatar???!!! And complained about having pay docked .... When he was in FRA doing Amiri slection so hard to be sympathetic.. The irish dude was a bit of a loose cannon too I am lead to believe.. So lets give them a chance .... They are just like EK was in the early days getting going... And they have lots of cash to make it work.... 3 trillion in USD bonds ,!!
Ask me same questions in three months! WJA if you remember to Al symers! !
I think there have been issues, but softly softly getting results.
The guys that left did so for their own reasons. GB appeared to be happier in EK doing 92+ hours per month across 20 hours of time zone each month , MK took a slot with Amiri better money less flying but Qatar???!!! And complained about having pay docked .... When he was in FRA doing Amiri slection so hard to be sympathetic.. The irish dude was a bit of a loose cannon too I am lead to believe.. So lets give them a chance .... They are just like EK was in the early days getting going... And they have lots of cash to make it work.... 3 trillion in USD bonds ,!!
Ask me same questions in three months! WJA if you remember to Al symers! !
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