Low hour expats (aussies) working in Asia Question
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Low hour expats (aussies) working in Asia Question
Hi guys,
Just doing some research at the moment and looking for some opinions of guys who are currently doing this / have done it / anyone who knows about this stuff.
My question is regarding expat pilots in Asia. For example the pilot shortage in Indonesia I have been informed about. I have been told low hour guys like myself, with 200-300hours have gone to Indonesia successfully to become first officers on turbo props.
I have been researching this but I'm still unsure how this would plan out a career for me in the long run.
Over on the aussie forums here on pprunes theres a crap load of negativity towards cadetships such as the J* one... which are not too different from a low hour pilot going over to Indonesia and scoring a gig as a co-pilot in a turbo prop for example.
My question is this: I get a job on a turbo prop for 2 years... maybe 4 or something. I start off with for example 200 TT of which 100 is PIC. After my 2 or 4 years I will have logged co-pilot time... cool...
But where too from there? I may / may not have enough hours for my ATPL and even if I do I wont have as much PIC as someone who would've scored a first job flying a Cessna out of the left hand seat. I guess my fear is in - with this career move what's the chance that you become unappealing to airlines in the long run? What's the chance you end up as a career first-officer with no hope of going captain? Or if I went further on overseas to Europe/Middle East or even back home to Oz, what are the chances the airlines may not want to hire me at all let alone give me a chance to move up onto the left hand seat?
Not sure if this question has been done or not but I've looked through the threads here and couldn't find the information I am seeking.
Any info would be appreciated. Thanks
Just doing some research at the moment and looking for some opinions of guys who are currently doing this / have done it / anyone who knows about this stuff.
My question is regarding expat pilots in Asia. For example the pilot shortage in Indonesia I have been informed about. I have been told low hour guys like myself, with 200-300hours have gone to Indonesia successfully to become first officers on turbo props.
I have been researching this but I'm still unsure how this would plan out a career for me in the long run.
Over on the aussie forums here on pprunes theres a crap load of negativity towards cadetships such as the J* one... which are not too different from a low hour pilot going over to Indonesia and scoring a gig as a co-pilot in a turbo prop for example.
My question is this: I get a job on a turbo prop for 2 years... maybe 4 or something. I start off with for example 200 TT of which 100 is PIC. After my 2 or 4 years I will have logged co-pilot time... cool...
But where too from there? I may / may not have enough hours for my ATPL and even if I do I wont have as much PIC as someone who would've scored a first job flying a Cessna out of the left hand seat. I guess my fear is in - with this career move what's the chance that you become unappealing to airlines in the long run? What's the chance you end up as a career first-officer with no hope of going captain? Or if I went further on overseas to Europe/Middle East or even back home to Oz, what are the chances the airlines may not want to hire me at all let alone give me a chance to move up onto the left hand seat?
Not sure if this question has been done or not but I've looked through the threads here and couldn't find the information I am seeking.
Any info would be appreciated. Thanks
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duyentranvan - that was a mature helpful response from a not so professional pilot !
onezeroonethree - honestly as a low timer there are far and few jobs outside of your home country for you. Once you get some time up your sleeve then you will get the option of expat work. Even if you did land one of these low timer jobs outside of Oz, they would most likely use and abuse you so the whole thing wouldnt be worth it. My advice is to stick to your own backyard and build time there, when I got my CPL there were no jobs at all in Australia, in the end I used some money I saved and bought a C152 and started a flight school and air charter business some 3000km from home. At the time I was not alone at doing this... not that I would repeat it, as it was a hard way to get flight time running a business at a young age and all.
good luck.
onezeroonethree - honestly as a low timer there are far and few jobs outside of your home country for you. Once you get some time up your sleeve then you will get the option of expat work. Even if you did land one of these low timer jobs outside of Oz, they would most likely use and abuse you so the whole thing wouldnt be worth it. My advice is to stick to your own backyard and build time there, when I got my CPL there were no jobs at all in Australia, in the end I used some money I saved and bought a C152 and started a flight school and air charter business some 3000km from home. At the time I was not alone at doing this... not that I would repeat it, as it was a hard way to get flight time running a business at a young age and all.
good luck.
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hey bro im serious here... there are no jobs in asia for you... its just like the asians going to aussieland, you would have said the same thing to them too. 
perhaps you guys can try cathay pacific. they love the aussies mainly because the guy running the show up there is an aussie?
perhaps you guys can try cathay pacific. they love the aussies mainly because the guy running the show up there is an aussie?
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ts just like the asians going to aussieland, you would have said the same thing to them too.
I, nor anyone else have told them "go back to asia where you belong, you aint welcome here"
but yeah, nice try. I checked up your previous posts in other threads
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Originally Posted by duyentranvan
go back to where u belong aussie... the asians dont welcome u
Originally Posted by duyentranvan
hey bro im serious here... there are no jobs in asia for you... its just like the asians going to aussieland, you would have said the same thing to them too.
Originally Posted by duyentranvan
perhaps you guys can try cathay pacific. they love the aussies mainly because the guy running the show up there is an aussie?
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hey bro im serious here... there are no jobs in asia for you... its just like the asians going to aussieland, you would have said the same thing to them too.
perhaps you guys can try cathay pacific. they love the aussies mainly because the guy running the show up there is an aussie?
perhaps you guys can try cathay pacific. they love the aussies mainly because the guy running the show up there is an aussie?
that reminds me of a quotation by Javed Akhtar:
“If you plunder from west to east you are great like Alexander. if you do the same from east to west you are a barbarian like Chengiz.”
Seems like this small mindedness is much too prevalent amongst western aviators.
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I, nor anyone else have told them "go back to asia where you belong, you aint welcome here"
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Wow how can one simple innocent question, that seemed so legitimate turn into such a pissing match by a bunch of simple minded pricks!
Come on boys and girls, prove to the world you are professional Pilots not simple minded dicks.
If anyone here can honestly say they havent been a low houred Pilot just out training wondering how to make the break in they are simply liars . We have all been here and most likely had the same thoughts this posted has had.
Come on boys and girls, prove to the world you are professional Pilots not simple minded dicks.
If anyone here can honestly say they havent been a low houred Pilot just out training wondering how to make the break in they are simply liars . We have all been here and most likely had the same thoughts this posted has had.
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In post number three you started pissing in the diapers.
duyentranvan - that was a mature helpful response from a not so professional pilot !
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hey guys, im just stating the fact here and i ain't being a racist or something.. but thats the fact you aussies are doing to the rest of the world.And you guys turn up in an asian airline and start to whine about how bad the rostering guys are treating you and shi*s... If you want facts, go and have a look at the fragrant harbour threads.Nearly everyday you guys cry and whine about something.I seriously don't know why and how you aussies end up in top class airlines like cx but i am certainly sure they would perhaps be the only asian airline which will take guys in with low hours.
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and itsbrokenagain, you're turning sore loser are you? because nobody supports your "professional" comments? Go get yourself a drink at a pub in coolangatta or whereever you live mate.
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I seriously don't know why and how you aussies end up in top class airlines like cx
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the asians dont welcome u
Any more questions?
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Ohhhhh jimmy .....you still are one sick bitter and twisted person aren't you!
I would hate to be you.
Indonesia it seems is in a continuous pilot shortage due to not enough training schools but also the fact that locals do not really want to fly silly little turbo-props.
As far as expat hiring goes there are quite a few
Susi Air - C208B/PC-6
SMAC - CASA 212
Merpati - MA60 (but it seems possibly DHC-6 too)
Batavia - 737 Classic (rumour round the traps is they are accepting low hours with type rating
Lion Air - 737-900ER (mainly Eagle Jet P2F; seems more like a prison camp - no multi entry/exit permit with temporary residency)
Wings Air - ATR 72 (taking contract pilots with high time and recent sim checks on ATR)
Garuda - 737 Classic/NG (expansion outpacing pilot supply so taking on contract pilots)
There are others and Regional Group recently advertised for DHC-6 pilots in Indonesia also.
As far as expat hiring goes there are quite a few
Susi Air - C208B/PC-6
SMAC - CASA 212
Merpati - MA60 (but it seems possibly DHC-6 too)
Batavia - 737 Classic (rumour round the traps is they are accepting low hours with type rating
Lion Air - 737-900ER (mainly Eagle Jet P2F; seems more like a prison camp - no multi entry/exit permit with temporary residency)
Wings Air - ATR 72 (taking contract pilots with high time and recent sim checks on ATR)
Garuda - 737 Classic/NG (expansion outpacing pilot supply so taking on contract pilots)
There are others and Regional Group recently advertised for DHC-6 pilots in Indonesia also.
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Originally Posted by duyentranvan
hey guys, im just stating the fact here and i ain't being a racist or something.. hey guys, im just stating the fact here and i ain't being a racist or something.. but thats the fact you aussies are doing to the rest of the world.And you guys turn up in an asian airline and start to whine about how bad the rostering guys are treating you and shi*s... If you want facts, go and have a look at the fragrant harbour threads.Nearly everyday you guys cry and whine about something.I seriously don't know why and how you aussies end up in top class airlines like cx but i am certainly sure they would perhaps be the only asian airline which will take guys in with low hours. Today 08:26
Originally Posted by duyentranvan
but thats the fact you aussies are doing to the rest of the world.And you guys turn up in an asian airline and start to whine about how bad the rostering guys are treating you and shi*s...
Very true... the orang puteh make the most noise.
Originally Posted by duyentranvan
If you want facts, go and have a look at the fragrant harbour threads.Nearly everyday you guys cry and whine about something.I seriously don't know why and how you aussies end up in top class airlines like cx
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i am certainly sure they would perhaps be the only asian airline which will take guys in with low hours.
CX consider and prefer white people white low hours. It hasn't been changed for all these years,