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Old 26th Jul 2013, 06:15
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Interview

I appreciate if someone could tell me if they are conducting Limited FOs or A330 Cruise Relief pilot interviews via skype please.
Thanks.
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 19:26
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Salary: As a captain you get something between 190K and 250K PHP A320 and ATR72 (4000 and 5000 USD)

That is basic plus productivity pay.
More or less half and half basic pay and productivity pay, depends on the flighthours.
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 19:55
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Bananaman2 and HermannP you guys are correct.

The good ole days are gone.No more $11000,Traders Hotel,transport to work and 6 on 2 off and the company took care of everything.Even the girl in HR told me the past is over..."local terms only"

If not I would go back in a heartbeat.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 02:27
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Salary: As a captain you get something between 190K and 250K PHP A320 and ATR72 (4000 and 5000 USD)

That is basic plus productivity pay.
More or less half and half basic pay and productivity pay, depends on the flighthours
.
What? I'm sorry HermannP but your "information" is grossly wrong.






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Old 27th Jul 2013, 02:46
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I was wondering how you deal with this situation:

If you do finally get a "validated" CPL based upon your home country
CPL/ATPL TR. And as stated from forum members, after 200 hours in a RP registered aircraft you are eligible for a full conversion to a CAAP CPL/ATPL.

While you still dont have these 200h, must necessarily your home country TR/ licence be current or is no longer needed unless you wish to have it current.

Every job opportunity needs plenty of detail planning, and certainly if there is something missing in Philippines is INFO, unanswered emails are quite common, and if lucky and you get an answer each source says a different thing, so even more confusing.
It may be possible at some point to get a position, but dealing with HR is frustrating so far
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 03:17
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Having done business in Philippines and purchased property one thing I know for certain . Don't expect your emails to be answered ! They seem to have a real problem finding the reply icon .
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 03:31
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Having done business in Philippines and purchased property one thing I know for certain . Don't expect your emails to be answered ! They seem to have a real problem finding the reply icon .
Emails, text, phone calls, etc. Communication etiquette is not their forte'.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 18:57
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Dear Skymaster,

i am not talking about the old expat contracts, that is history in Cebu Pacific.
I am talking about the standart from Jan. 2013 on.
And once again, below is the standart now.

Salary: As a captain you get something between 190K and 250K PHP A320 and ATR72 (between 4000 and 5000 USD net)

That is basic plus productivity pay.
More or less half and half basic pay and productivity pay, depends on the flighthours
.

However, overtime only for a few pilots...


I have seen the original contracts from the local pilots.
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 04:02
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I am talking about the standart from Jan. 2013 on.
And once again, below is the standart now.

Salary: As a captain you get something between 190K and 250K PHP A320 and ATR72 (between 4000 and 5000 USD net)

That is basic plus productivity pay.
More or less half and half basic pay and productivity pay, depends on the flighthours
.

However, overtime only for a few pilots...


I have seen the original contracts from the local pilots.
Right Hermann.

Get the facts before posting downright distortions of the truth.

You have no credibility in anything you've posted so far.
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 16:17
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I know that you want to attract people, but please dont write things wich are not true.

Attaking me will not give you any credibility, the people have eyes and can read the Cebu threads and your posts.


And still-salary:
As a captain you get something between 190K and 250K PHP A320 and ATR72 (4000 and 5000 USD) after tax.
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 17:34
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O_0 I feel a disturbance in the force....
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 23:51
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I know that you want to attract people, but please dont write things wich are not true.
I don't have a dog in this fight, it's not up to me "to attract people".

Attaking me will not give you any credibility, the people have eyes and can read the Cebu threads and your posts.
No one is attacking you, just pointing out that you are deliberately putting out false information

And still-salary:
As a captain you get something between 190K and 250K PHP A320 and ATR72 (4000 and 5000 USD) after tax.
Well, I am pretty good at math, and your numbers simply don't add up. Again, you and your buddies keep ignoring the fact there is a base pay also and are distorting the pay numbers.

I have the current contract right here in front of me and your information is inaccurate if not deliberately misleading.

Here is my reply in another thread on CP on the true numbers for a A320 Captain:

OK, let me show you the math then:

USD 53 per hour (1-60 hours block)
USD 62 per hour (61 hours and above)

So on 85 hours "productivity pay" (aka "flight pay") the total is:

$4730 US (this is tax free)
$3000 US base pay (taxed)
----------
$7730 Sub Total
$ 140 "check in allowance" (transportation)
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$7870 TOTAL

There is also field reserve pay that can figure into the amount, and also remember we are converting to US dollars.
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Old 29th Jul 2013, 10:26
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Ok Kids, before things get out of hand...here is the lowdown, and this answer came from a recently released 320 local captain i shared the crew shuttle with.

Basic for a new Airbus Capt. Php 120k. Deduct taxes and sss , medicare,etc, net is php 100k. Total productivity pay on 80 hours is roughly 160t.

Total take-home pay is Php 260t

Today's exchange rate is P43.30/usd 1

So in usd, the net figure you will see on your Atm monthly is $6,000.

Far cry from the heydays a few years ago. So if you have a REAL , stable job stay where ever you are.

But if you are jobless and 4 months behind your mortgage, a nagging wife, and the Repo guy is casing your house looking for your VW Golf ...this Gig beats watching CNN and lurking on PPRuNe for sure!

Remember, no one is FORCING you to take this job. Just my two cent's worth..
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Old 29th Jul 2013, 11:03
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 04:19
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Hello people,

New to forum here. I'm currently a dual citizen (Filipino and US) living in the US. I hold a PPL, currently working on my CPL, and have about 247 hours.

I was wondering on how to go about getting a job with an airline in the Philippines. The aviation industry seems to be booming over there whereas here in the US is progressing backwards.

How is the process regarding converting the FAA certificates into CAAP ones? Am I also required to fly 200 hours in RP-C... aircraft for the conversion, as suggested above?

Any input is appreciated

Thanks

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Old 31st Jul 2013, 05:01
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Tks for that info Jonjie. Must be close or you would get a one page essay back.
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 11:25
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splitzkreen03 - I converted from a JAA to a CAAP CPL/IR and I know a few guys who converted from FAA and CASA to CAAP.

If you hold a Philippine passport (as you do) you can convert your licence straight away without having to do 200hrs (there's a clause in the PICAR somewhere stating this fact) otherwise you'll just get a Validation initially. When i did it, they wanted to know I had a job to go to also.

If you just get the Validation initially it will allow you to start flying Philippine registered aircraft under the privileges of your 'mother' licence but you'll need to keep the Validation certificate and Ratings valid... so suggest you push for conversion.

To Validate/Convert as well as doing various things like Air Law exam, Eng Lang, Medical, Radio Lic etc you'll need to do 10 hours and a check in a light aircraft or if you come with a rating e.g 320 you can just do a check in the 320 without doing the light aircraft stuff.

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Old 31st Jul 2013, 11:35
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Actually to join in the debate on salary briefly....

I fly for a rival 320 operator in the Phils, where the majority of Capts are ex-cebupac and they told me Cebupac has 'incremental' pay and a seniority list anyway.. so salary increases with every year of service. A couple of our Capts told me they had 10+ years service and when they left they were getting 300k PHP basic (before productivity)... so salary is not fixed from person to person.

As an aside i heard this was a sticking point when some senior Capts were offered the 330 as they were told they'd lose their seniority (as it was a new airframe) and would have to start from year 1 330 pay.
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 13:05
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Hi guys,

going a little off topic...
Anyone know what is the average roster for the 330 chaps at Cebu?

Thanks to all
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Old 4th Aug 2013, 01:51
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Annual Merit Increase

bananaman2,

You are referring to what is known as Annual Merit Increase or 'AMI'. Here's how it works:

The basic salary for an A320 Captain is around Php 124,000 before taxes. Every year, each pilot is 'evaluated' by the Chief Pilot in the form of an 'Annual Assessment'. He is then given his AMI for the year which is anywhere from 4-7% based on the evaluation. Thus, If a new captain who had served say, 3 years as FO prior to being upgraded and having achieved the full merit of 7% AMI would technically have an accumulated AMI of 7% x 3 years or 21%. So his basic pay upon making the left seat would thus be Php 124,000 + 21%= Php 150,000. This is before taxes. The full 7% is the exception rather than the rule as this is all dependent on the Chief Pilots mood when he drafts the annual assessment. 4% would be the more realistic figure and 0% is not totally out of the question for the same reasons stated.

This system has since been super ceded about 2 years ago for all new hires by one which equates the basic pay to experience level/ flying time. Management created 'brackets' of experience in terms of time. Example, 1500 -3000 hours would be a certain basic pay, 3001-4000 a level up, etc.

This was the formula used for the Long Haul Division/ A330 when bids for pilot positions were opened. This led to complaints from the more senior pilots specially those who were highly experienced but were spending a lot of time instructing in the sim and did not have their experience properly reflected on their logbooks in terms of flight time.

In the end, the decision to move from SA to wide body was driven by reasons other than monetary.
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